# Will Kavanaugh be affirmed - yes or no? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 28, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126 "2018-09-28T18:25:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/141 "2018-10-01T17:12:06Z")
It’s probably just the conspiracy theorist in me, but why do I have the feeling the whole “delay the vote for a week for an FBI investigation” is an attempt by a number of people, led by Senator Flake and possibly including a number of Republicans up for re-election in a few weeks, to see if they can find someone else acceptable, and they confirm Kavanaugh only if they can’t? The only reason they don’t delay this until after the elections is, the longer they wait, the more cases are going to be argued without him, so he won’t be able to vote on them. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/142 "2018-10-01T17:54:19Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > It’s probably just the conspiracy theorist in me, but why do I have the feeling the whole “delay the vote for a week for an FBI investigation” is an attempt by a number of people, led by Senator Flake and possibly including a number of Republicans up for re-election in a few weeks, to see if they can find someone else acceptable, and they confirm Kavanaugh only if they can’t? > > The only reason they don’t delay this until after the elections is, the longer they wait, the more cases are going to be argued without him, so he won’t be able to vote on them. Find someone else more acceptable? The Senate doesn’t come up with Supreme Court nominees, The Federalist society does. :rolleyes: Anyhoo, I’m more inclined to believe the week long investigation is just to shut up anybody calling for a week long investigation. Which it won’t. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/143 "2018-10-01T18:35:51Z")
Do you think they’ll be able to force it through after Friday? ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/144 "2018-10-01T21:18:40Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > So then, you think Dr Ford came forward and lied because . . .? First yes I think he’ll be affirmed. As far as Dr. Ford goes, human memory is notoriously faulty, but here’s what we know. She doesn’t remember the date of the party, sometime in the summer of 1982 was the best she could do, her therapist notes say there were four boys in the room, Ford says that was an error on her therapist’s part, Judge, Smyth, and Keyser have said they don’t don’t remember the party, and Keyser said she has never met Kavanaugh. Odds are she believes what she is saying happened, whether she is confusing two different incidents or mis-remembering not, who knows? Given that there is no evidence, and the people she names don’t remember the party and Keyser states she never met Kavanaugh. So what is there to investigate, there is nothing to go on. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/145 "2018-10-01T21:48:58Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > So what is there to investigate, there is nothing to go on. How about the fact that he swore an oath before Congress to give truthful testimony, and then lied his ass off? How about the fact that there are at least three witnesses alleging sexual impropriety, and many more characterizing him as a drunken lout? How about the fact the he’s clearly biased as all hell and unfit to be on the highest court for that reason alone? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/146 "2018-10-01T22:02:01Z")
Rut-roh. NBC News: [Mutual Friend of Ramirez and Kavanaugh Anxious to Come Forward with Evidence](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/mutual-friend-ramirez-kavanaugh-anxious-come-forward-evidence-n915566). > [@](#): > > In the days leading up to a public allegation that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh exposed himself to a college classmate, the judge and his team were communicating behind the scenes with friends to refute the claim, according to text messages obtained by NBC News. > > Kerry Berchem, who was at Yale with both Kavanaugh and his accuser, Deborah Ramirez, has attempted to get those messages to the FBI for its newly reopened investigation into the matter but says she has yet to be contacted by the bureau. > > The texts between Berchem and Karen Yarasavage, both friends of Kavanaugh, suggest that the nominee was personally talking with former classmates about Ramirez’s story in advance of the New Yorker article that made her allegation public. In one message, Yarasavage said Kavanaugh asked her to go on the record in his defense. Two other messages show communication between Kavanaugh’s team and former classmates in advance of the story. More at link. Bit of a no-no, that. And it’s only Monday! ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/147 "2018-10-01T22:04:58Z")
In particular… he testified under oath that the first place he heard Ramirez’s claim was the New Yorker article. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/148 "2018-10-01T22:07:00Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > In particular… he testified under oath that the first place he heard Ramirez’s claim was the New Yorker article. That’s right. I’d forgotten that. This guy would give Trump a run for his money for reflexive lying, so I see the attraction. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/149 "2018-10-01T22:40:12Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > In particular… he testified under oath that the first place he heard Ramirez’s claim was the New Yorker article. So that would be … what, the 6th, the 10th lie so far under oath before Congress? There’s coming so fast I can’t keep track. I see the rush for the Republicans to confirm before the lie count gets up to 100! ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/150 "2018-10-01T22:45:42Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > So that would be … what, the 6th, the 10th lie so far under oath before Congress? There’s coming so fast I can’t keep track. I see the rush for the Republicans to confirm before the lie count gets up to 100! What were #'s 1-5 (or 1-9) in your view? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/151 "2018-10-01T22:49:32Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > … How about the fact the he’s clearly biased as all hell and unfit to be on the highest court for that reason alone? Do you feel that RBG should resign because of her clear bias? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/152 "2018-10-01T22:53:23Z")
I think we could easily get to ten lies under oath without even getting chronologically past his 2006 confirmation hearing. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/153 "2018-10-01T22:54:15Z")
they are all biased one way or the other . You can pretty much predict which way they will vote on many issues. Kennedy was the exception and I guess that’s why he was called the swing vote. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/154 "2018-10-01T23:00:06Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > In particular… he testified under oath that the first place he heard Ramirez’s claim was the New Yorker article. I dunno. The New Yorker talked to a bunch of people trying to get corroboration. Some might have been sympathetic to Kav. It’s possible one of those people called Kav and said “Hey a bunch of folks from the New Yorker are writing an article about you and they’re asking me about whether you flashed Ramirez Freshman year at Yale. What’s that all about?” ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/155 "2018-10-01T23:03:15Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > What were #'s 1-5 (or 1-9) in your view? For starters, there’s a record of lying in the past even before this hearing: > **[Brett Kavanaugh’s habit of dissembling makes it hard to take his word over...](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/24/17893134/brett-kavanaugh-sexual-assault-allegation-dishonest)** > > From his public remarks to his congressional testimony, he’s awfully dishonest. > **[Did Kavanaugh Lie to Congress? All Signs Point to 'Yes' | Law & Crime](https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/did-brett-kavanaugh-straight-up-lie-to-congress-the-first-time-he-was-appointed/)** > > Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh appears to have misled Congress during his confirmation hearings when he was first nominated to sit on the federal bench in 2006. And in the hearing itself, also under oath, there’s at least [items 1-3 here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21240085&postcount=1) that [even you acknowledge](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21240327&postcount=11) are probably lies. [Bernie provides four more here](https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/09/29/lying-congress-federal-crime-sanders-demands-fbi-investigate-whether-kavanaugh) (scroll down). Some of these are general categories that would greatly multiply the lies in examining the specific statements, but with no effort whatsoever here are at least 7 of the lies. When it’s this easy to expose your Supreme Court nominee as a dishonest lout who lies under oath, maybe you should rethink your nominee and your loyalties. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/156 "2018-10-01T23:08:45Z")
I do believe they will confirm this very deceitful man. I feel like I’m screaming into a void. My skin is crawling at the thought of this man sitting on MY GOD DAMN Supreme Court. This is a fucking national tragedy. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/157 "2018-10-01T23:17:47Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I dunno. The New Yorker talked to a bunch of people trying to get corroboration. Some might have been sympathetic to Kav. It’s possible one of those people called Kav and said “Hey a bunch of folks from the New Yorker are writing an article about you and they’re asking me about whether you flashed Ramirez Freshman year at Yale. What’s that all about?” I actually made a similar point in a different thread: > [@Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5529): > > While putting the New Yorker article together, they contacted every person they put in that dorm at that time. There are perfectly innocent ways for him to hear through the grapevine that that was happening. He could have said that’s how he heard about it. In fact, that is probably how he heard about it. He chose a different route. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/158 "2018-10-01T23:24:33Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I actually made a similar point in a different thread: > > He could have said that’s how he heard about it. In fact, that is probably how he heard about it. He chose a different route. He could have said - while under oath- he heard about it from friends before it was published. Instead, he chose to lie. Steller guy. Much integrity. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/159 "2018-10-01T23:31:07Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > He could have said that’s how he heard about it. In fact, that is probably how he heard about it. He chose a different route. IOW, he lied. That ups my count of lies under oath (in post #155) to at least 8. Plus the fact that given his history of drunken debauchery, there is no way he could say for certain that the event Ford accuses him of never happened, since he might easily have regarded it – in the context of his life at the time – as a trivial (to him) incident that might easily have been lost in the alcoholic haze. An honest person would at least have said that he didn’t recall it. So I think my lie count was an underestimate as it keeps going up every time the situation is re-examined. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126/160 "2018-10-01T23:39:48Z")
I think he’s toast. Just a feeling. Bring on the next one, and let the Circus begin! :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-kavanaugh-be-affirmed-yes-or-no/822126.md?page=9)