# Will Meat Become Obsolete Some Day?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [September 30, 2003, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649 "2003-09-30T05:44:32Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Jim\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_B)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/1 "2003-09-30T05:44:32Z")
As I’ve said before, I am a vegetarian in principle, but a meat eater in actual practice (more on this later in this post). And like many people who are concerned with the welfare of animals, I find it a little sad what a dismal state the anti-meat movement is in. It is not considered at all in the mainstream. And if you are in the mainstream, you won’t be anymore if you advocate it, it seems.
That’s when I started thinking about an entirely different direction this debate can go. Meat is unhealthy. It may not be as dietarily unhealthy as we once thought. But let’s face it, it comes from a living animal. And if you eat it, you risk getting the germs, to say nothing of the chemicals, that animal once had. So is it possible, much like perhaps tobacco, meat will just be declared to unhealthy some day and outlawed on those grounds? Of course this presupposes that the country (and world) will be ready for such a ban. And it also presupposes that there will be a good, inexpensive source of non-meat protein available to the general public by then.
Obviously no one can say what the very distant future holds. In several hundred years, we may all have space hovercrafts and some of us may live in colonies on mars. So for the sake of my argument, let’s say I am asking if this could happen before the end of this century–perhaps the very end of it.
(And as for my views on meat, I am for its gradual abolition. Sadly, though, as I’ve said, very few people seem to even hold that view.)
🙂
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### Author:  [@Robert\_Lehnert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert_Lehnert)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/2 "2003-09-30T06:10:48Z")
There’s a place for all of God’s creatures…right next to the mashed potatos.
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### Author:  [@cromulent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cromulent)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/3 "2003-09-30T06:26:49Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Jim B. \*
> \*\*Meat is unhealthy. It may not be as dietarily unhealthy as we once thought. But let’s face it, it comes from a living animal. And if you eat it, you risk getting the germs, to say nothing of the chemicals, that animal once had. So is it possible, much like perhaps tobacco, meat will just be declared to unhealthy some day and outlawed on those grounds? \*\*
In the future, we may “grow” meat simply by culturing animal tissues and keep a relatively small stock of animals around to provide the cells to do so. No more ethical arguments against meat, no more force-feeding antiobiotics to disease-riddled cows, no more wasteful land usage… Theoretically, we could grow any cut of meat we wanted to, from any animal.
Of course, I could be wrong. 😃
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### Author:  [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/4 "2003-09-30T06:30:26Z")
I’m thinking that the majority of meat-eaters would be willing to give up meat if we could come up with alternatives that are just as cheap, just as easy to work with, and taste just as good. Being just as healthy would help a lot too. Until we have that, I don’t think the meat abolition movement will make much progress. Although some people will fight for the right to eat meat even if you don’t want to (and I do respect this position even though I don’t agree to it), I think they’ll be in the minority.
I also hope we eventually abolish meat eating, but I think 97 years is a bit optimistic.
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### Author:  [@Nanoda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanoda)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/5 "2003-09-30T06:41:54Z")
I forsee a time in the far future where meat comes from huge writhing bio-engineered meat-masses where every cut is prime… milk I suppose is produced by vat-grown swamps of single-celled organisms, and chicken… seems kinda hard to get wings from anything but a chicken. I guess they still have to kick them bucket; but nobody likes chickens anyhow, so no big loss. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/6 "2003-09-30T06:52:46Z")
I’m looking forward to seeing majestic fields of bioengineered meatcorn in the near future.
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### Author:  [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/7 "2003-09-30T06:57:23Z")
I envision a machine: In goes soy slurry, water, fiber, flavorings/spices, vitamins and minerals. Out comes soy steak, chicken breast, sausage filler, chicken nuggets, fish sticks – whatever – depending on the formulation. The “meat substitute” will then be fried, grilled, baked, sautéed or fricasseed to satisfaction. Each household will have such a machine.
Meat will remain in restaurants.
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### Author:  [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/8 "2003-09-30T07:13:36Z")
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> \*Originally posted by cromulent \*
> **In the future, we may “grow” meat simply by culturing animal tissues and keep a relatively small stock of animals around to provide the cells to do so. No more ethical arguments against meat, no more force-feeding antiobiotics to disease-riddled cows, no more wasteful land usage… Theoretically, we could grow any cut of meat we wanted to, from any animal.**
Question: if we can grow human meat that way (with the help of a few generous people who will provide, say, stem cells), would it be ethical to eat it? Because I’m sure a lot of people would be curious as to the taste.
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### Author:  [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/9 "2003-09-30T07:14:35Z")
Well, I suppose it depends if some of the more alarming theories described in threads like [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=213814) and [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=213387) about Mad Cow disease come about. If there’s a large, sudden surge in Mad Cow deaths in the near, or even far, future, I can see meat consumption plunging, especially if it jumps species to poultry and/or pigs. While it may not make meat “obsolete,” it would certainly help it along its way to the level of fugu.
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### Author:  [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/10 "2003-09-30T12:29:30Z")
Cloning steaks…
Ick. OTOH, I can’t see a moral objection, and I _am_ curious.
What do other veges think?
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/11 "2003-09-30T12:35:06Z")
Of course, if you tried to create genetically engineered non-individual-animal meat, you’d just have the anti-GM-Food people protesting outside your farm.
Given that meat has been part of the human diet for pretty much the entire existence of our species, I would say the likelihood of meat becoming obsolete is exactly zero.
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### Author:  [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/12 "2003-09-30T12:36:32Z")
The problem here is that it may demand as much or more money, for an inferior product. This “meat” may not taste as good, and could still have terrible problems with contamination. It depends too much on the specific system. Give me more than a pipe dream, and I’ll give you an answer.
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### Author:  [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/13 "2003-09-30T12:43:37Z")
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> \*Originally posted by RickJay \*
> \*\*Given that meat has been part of the human diet for pretty much the entire existence of our species, I would say the likelihood of meat becoming obsolete is exactly zero. \*\*
We’ve given up other things that we’ve done for pretty much the entire existance of our species.
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### Author:  [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/14 "2003-09-30T13:00:52Z")
Meat become obsolete?
You need to super-size that argument.
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### Author:  [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/15 "2003-09-30T13:10:54Z")
Of course you people who love animals so will be appalled if once we replce our favorite meats the vast herds of cattle and vast quantities of chickens and pigs will dissapear as we no longer require them for our consumption.
Milk and eggs… well we can’t have those as they are biproducts of the exploited animals and contain that filthy animal protien. Besides we can have subsitutes there too.
Imagine that the endangered cow.
The rare rooster.
The roasted pig… oop sorry I just got hungry.
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/16 "2003-09-30T13:12:09Z")
Hmm… I dunno about that, **Shade**. Any samples of anything “we’ve done for pretty much the entire existance of our species” (around 180K years for Homo Sapiens) that was AS nearly universal as eating animal flesh, and we’ve universally given up on?
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### Author:  [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/17 "2003-09-30T13:20:50Z")
I don’t think meat is so unhealthy. Maybe for some, but hey…migrant workers who pick the vegetables you eat are also peeing and dumping in the very fields they work in. So there’s all manner of funk in the vegetable world as well. And chemicals as well. Organic farming is too expensive to do on a really big basis. Face it. Everything is gonna kill us. Might has well have a good time on the way out, right?
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### Author:  [@Earthworm\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earthworm_Jim)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/18 "2003-09-30T13:31:25Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Jim B. \*
> \*\*it comes from a living animal. And if you eat it, you risk getting the germs, to say nothing of the chemicals, that animal once had. \*\*
I don’t know about you, but I don’t mind that risk at all. I consider it giving my immune system a little workout the vast majority of the time - the risk of consuming something truly threatening is pretty low.
Personally, I’ve got no beef with meat (as it were).
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/19 "2003-09-30T13:48:46Z")
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> \*Originally posted by JRDelirious \*
> \*\*Hmm… I dunno about that, **Shade**. Any samples of anything “we’ve done for pretty much the entire existance of our species” (around 180K years for Homo Sapiens) that was AS nearly universal as eating animal flesh, and we’ve universally given up on? \*\*
I agree. And I’d go further and say that meat eating has been a significant part of our diet since early _Homo_ emerged. That would be about 2M years.
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### Author:  [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2003, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-meat-become-obsolete-some-day/204649/20 "2003-09-30T13:49:40Z")
I stopped eating meat because of the terrifying environmental damage it causes. I think that will one day force meat-eating out of practice; of course, assuming we last that long. I don’t know how long it will take; it’s unimaginable that we’ve gotten away with so much already. Given my perception of human nature, I think we’ll go right on eating meat no matter what the cost. We’re stubborn like that.🙂
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