# Will men ever give up suits and ties? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 23, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640 "2016-07-23T00:49:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/1 "2016-07-23T00:49:15Z")
For formal events they still pretty much are stuck with a suit and tie. Women have many more options now . they can wear pants at most events . BTW, I am talking about the US /Europe/Japan/Australia/Canada and similar places. I know that in some places ties/suits were never required . ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/2 "2016-07-23T00:53:30Z")
I did! If something requires one, I’ll be absent. Now excuse me. It’s “dog o’clock” and I have to be going out in the Jeep. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/3 "2016-07-23T00:57:05Z")
I belong to 2 credit unions. One of them is business casual. But the other even makes tellers wear ties. I don’t use any banks. Seems that Fox news still bans women on the air from wearing pants. Guess that was an Ailes idea. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/4 "2016-07-23T01:04:39Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > For formal events they still pretty much are stuck with a suit and tie. > > Women have many more options now . they can wear pants at most events . > > BTW, I am talking about the US /Europe/Japan/Australia/Canada and similar places. I know that in some places ties/suits were never required . Lots of guys are giving them up. But the real problem with ties and suits is that men don’t trouble themselves to shop. I am simply astounded that there are guys who will buy shirts off the rack without trying them on first. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/5 "2016-07-23T01:21:22Z")
yes but in some businesses guys don’t have the choice to give them up, such as law and banking and wall street. Also BB and hockey coaches still wear suits/ties. Baseball and FB coaches don’t. In fact the NFL requires coaches to wear the team logo gear (shirts, hats, etc.) and they don’t allow any other clothes and of course baseball they wear the uniforms like the players. Nice business casual looks way better than a crappy or ill fitting suit. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/6 "2016-07-23T01:22:42Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Lots of guys are giving them up. But the real problem with ties and suits is that men don’t trouble themselves to shop. I am simply astounded that there are guys who will buy shirts off the rack without trying them on first. I buy shirts online. From a tailor in London. I know my size, I’ve bought from them multiple times so I know their fit. Back to the topic. I have 3 suits. Have to wear one maybe twice a year. ---
**Author:** ![Sattua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sattua/32/11906_2.png) [@Sattua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sattua)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/7 "2016-07-23T01:25:55Z")
Men’s styles do change, just not as fast as women’s. It’s been a while since breeches and frock coats exited stage left. Longer since pantaloons and jerkins were the thing. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/8 "2016-07-23T01:32:33Z")
I hope never. A guy in a nice suit is a lovely sight. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/9 "2016-07-23T01:41:30Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > I buy shirts online. From a tailor in London. I know my size, I’ve bought from them multiple times so I know their fit. > > Back to the topic. I have 3 suits. Have to wear one maybe twice a year. Did you miss the phrase “buy off the rack”? That said, a man’s shirt size changes over time… My cousin Sam, god bless him, still thigs he wears the same size 16 neck he did when we were in our teens, thrity years ago. Most guys who think find ties uncomfortable need to get tyhe right size shirt. I expect that if you don’t look periodically get re-measured or at least try out new shirts in person, you won’t be getting shirts that fit from your London tailor in five years. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/10 "2016-07-23T02:08:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Most guys who think find ties uncomfortable need to get tyhe right size shirt. I find ties uncomfortable because they’re an anachronism. people wear them because other people tell them they have to wear them. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/11 "2016-07-23T02:22:58Z")
I don’t know. Most of what we wear, that goes beyond the utilitarian, is no stranger than a tie. A scarf, vest, jewelry are all just as odd. Ties are cool looking and one fun way for guys to express himself. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/12 "2016-07-23T02:29:35Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > I find ties uncomfortable because they’re an anachronism. people wear them because other people tell them they have to wear them. Ties are no more an “anachronism” than they were 100 years ago. They never served a practical purpose. They’re just fashion. Personally, I like wearing a suit for work. Or at the very least, wear something that looks put together. I hate that Silicon Valley “dress like a 15 year old for work” mentality. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/13 "2016-07-23T02:33:42Z")
I did, a long time ago, I don’t own either suit or tie, I don’t go to locations or events where they’re “required”, and if it was up to me, I’d destroy every last suit and tie n the planet, I hate 'em that much. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/14 "2016-07-23T02:59:57Z")
We can only hope. The sooner suits are gone, the better. A dress shirt and slacks is all that’s need for business wear. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/15 "2016-07-23T03:07:57Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > We can only hope. The sooner suits are gone, the better. A-fucking-men > [@](#): > > A dress shirt and slacks is all that’s need for business wear. I prefer to see the entire concept of business wear dispensed with altogether. We should be able to wear sneakers and jeans to every job. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/16 "2016-07-23T05:39:14Z")
We can scrap the tie, but I’d hate to see men’s suits go extinct—styles just need updating to 21st century aesthetic standards. These are my top picks for various dress categories: Men’s [Business Standard](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/41/a5/d6/41a5d69ba8b243731c8c254257cbc855.jpg) Men’s [Business Casual](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f0/bc/09/f0bc09b3a7921b3c083976b177455a80.jpg) Men’s [Tuxedo Formal](http://www.nerdygaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/weird-and-funny-mens-fashion-show.jpg) Women’s [Everyday Wear](http://lgcdn.amiclubwear.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/o/costume-bedroom-gggg10-bc6046cpnavyblack.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/17 "2016-07-23T07:12:33Z")
According to the latest Star Trek movie, don’t hold your breath. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/18 "2016-07-23T13:11:45Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > I find ties uncomfortable because they’re an anachronism. people wear them because other people tell them they have to wear them. I’m talking about physical discomfort. As for being anachronism, one could say the same thing about skirts and dresses. The fact that you don’t like a fashion item doesn’t mean it’s in the wrong time period any more than the fact that I don’t like one does. I think the custom of young black menof wearing their pans so as to expose their asses is unattractive, but it’s not anachronistic. Ties feel uncomfortable – by which I mean too tight – when the collar about which tehey’re fastened are smaller than is appropriate. And that happens when the wearer does not trouble himself to try the shirt on before buying it. Guys assume that their neck size is as immutable as the arm length, which is clearly not true. When a shirt stops fitting well they tell themselves it’s because the shirt has shrunk in the laundry, not because their necks have expanded. Hell, you see the same thing with pants. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/19 "2016-07-23T13:19:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Skald** : > > Lots of guys are giving them up. But the real problem with ties and suits is that men don’t trouble themselves to shop. I am simply astounded that there are guys who will buy shirts off the rack without trying them on first. Or if we do try them on, we don’t know how they’re supposed to fit. A few years ago, I bought a new dress shirt from JC Penny (as opposed to the thrift shops where I usually buy them). A very helpful sales clerk saw me uncertain as to which size I should get, sprang into action with a measuring tape, and pointed me to the correct one. And damned if that thing wasn’t actually _comfortable_! I hadn’t realized, before then, that that was even an option for dress shirts. Since then, now that I know what to look for, I can get comfortable shirts at thrift shops, too, but I had to first be shown how. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640/20 "2016-07-23T13:25:39Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Or if we do try them on, we don’t know how they’re supposed to fit. A few years ago, I bought a new dress shirt from JC Penny (as opposed to the thrift shops where I usually buy them). A very helpful sales clerk saw me uncertain as to which size I should get, sprang into action with a measuring tape, and pointed me to the correct one. And damned if that thing wasn’t actually _comfortable_! I hadn’t realized, before then, that that was even an option for dress shirts. Since then, now that I know what to look for, I can get comfortable shirts at thrift shops, too, but I had to first be shown how. Just remember that you still need to try on new shirts and should get re-measured periodically. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-men-ever-give-up-suits-and-ties/760640.md?page=2)