# Will Rap/Hip Hop ever go stale? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 8, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559 "2010-08-08T00:14:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/41 "2010-08-08T03:58:11Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > Record a video with what? I don’t have any fucking video equipment, and wouldn’t know how to put anything on the internet if I did. I don’t even know how to upload pictures. > > > > Even if I had the video equipment, I don’t have any backing music or a microphone or a PA or anything to mix or record it with. You don’t know shit about recording music, do you. That’s probably why you’re impressed by Busta Rhymes. Rap is basically for people who can’t understand real music. > > First of all, just about any digital camera (for taking pictures) made in the last 5 years can take a video. Secondly, I’m not asking you to make a Grammy Award winning vocal rendition- I’m just saying show us suckers how easy it is to rap. > > It’s funny that you want to knock someone as shitty, but they’re doing something you’re incapable of doing yourself. If you’d like to link me to some of your “real music”, I’d love to listen to it. Actually, I’m sure everyone here would. I’ve got nothing online. My failed rock career was in the days before the internet. I don’t know how to work a digital camera (I’ve never owned one), and I don’t know how to upload anything to the internet. I don’t think I can exaggerate how computer iliterate I am (or how shitty my computer is. I’ve got an old HP with a Celeron processor. I can barely even play youtube videos on it, much less upload anything). You also haven’t told me where I’m supposed to get the backing music. I know you think you’re calling my bluff, but you’re doing it in a way in which I have no way to response even if I wanted to. I don’t know how to make and upload a video to the internet. Sorry. I’m old. I didn’t even know how to do email until 2002. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/42 "2010-08-08T04:01:25Z")
No need for backing music- some of the best raps I’ve ever heard have been a capella. You’d just carry on with the rhythm; Eminem does this all the time on his satellite radio channel. If a crappy commercial rapper can do it, anybody can, me thinks. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/43 "2010-08-08T04:02:04Z")
> [@multimediac17](#): > > To say hip-hop requires no talent is to basically stand up and say “I have no understanding of this music whatsoever”. > > This argument is like a caricature of music snobbery, if it wasn’t so stupid it’d be almost funny. Where is the talent then?Can only talented people steal samples from other musicians, or does the talent lie in talking fast? I used to do some speed metal songs that were basically just rapping over lickety-split guitar riffs. Is doing a Busta Rhymes song any harder than doing a Slayer song? And I did the Slayer songs while actually playing my own instrument. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/44 "2010-08-08T04:02:11Z")
I was pretty excited to see that you had, **Hades**. I kind of liked the idea of repeatedly linking to her while the, er, stodgier elements kept on about what all rap is like. And here’s another [ghetto gangsta blast](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV5GpxY3U7c) talking about[not anything](http://frontalot.com/index.php/?page=lyrics&lyricid=46) that anybody around here is interested in. edit:[no talent here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D671znPDOCU). Move along to something interesting. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/45 "2010-08-08T04:03:12Z")
Hasn’t all pop music gotten stale? When was the last significant innovative form? Rap, Punk and New Wave go back to the 70’s, Reggae the 60’s (?) and rock is even older. What have we had since then? Techno? Grunge? Nothing major. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/46 "2010-08-08T04:05:42Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > No need for backing music- some of the best raps I’ve ever heard have been a capella. You’d just carry on with the rhythm; Eminem does this all the time on his satellite radio channel. If a crappy commercial rapper can do it, anybody can, me thinks. I would need a beat, at least, but the main problem remains that I don’t have any equipment to record or upload a video to the internet, and even if I did, I don’t have a clue how to do it. I’ve honestly never uploaded anything in my life. I don’t even think my computer could handle it. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/47 "2010-08-08T04:08:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You also haven’t told me where I’m supposed to get the backing music. I know you think you’re calling my bluff, but you’re doing it in a way in which I have no way to response even if I wanted to. I don’t know how to make and upload a video to the internet. Sorry. I’m old. I didn’t even know how to do email until 2002. Are you ignoring the a cappella rap I posted earlier? Why do you need backing music if some no-talent hack like Busta Rhymes doesn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/48 "2010-08-08T04:11:49Z")
I haven’t clicked on any videos because it takes to long to load and play them on my computer and because I already know what they sound like anyway. They all sound the same. Anyway, problem remains that I can’t upload _anything_. I don’t have a camera and I don’t know _how_ to upload anything. ---
**Author:** ![multimediac17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/839c29/32.png) [@multimediac17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/multimediac17)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/49 "2010-08-08T04:12:35Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@multimediac17](#): > > > > To say hip-hop requires no talent is to basically stand up and say “I have no understanding of this music whatsoever”. > > > > This argument is like a caricature of music snobbery, if it wasn’t so stupid it’d be almost funny. > > Where is the talent then?Can only talented people steal samples from other musicians, or does the talent lie in talking fast? > > I used to do some speed metal songs that were basically just rapping over lickety-split guitar riffs. Is doing a Busta Rhymes song any harder than doing a Slayer song? And I did the Slayer songs while actually playing my own instrument. If you think hip-hop is “stealing samples” and “talking fast”, what can I say to you? You’ve made up your mind with a very narrow view of the genre, which is what leads me to believe that you really don’t know anything about it. Lyric writing, production, flow, power, breath control, clever rhymes, beat creation, sampling for maximum effect, atmosphere, the ability to connect on a deep level with a huge audience, live performance, freestyling… there’s the talent. But you’ll probably dismiss this as “stealing samples and talking fast”, so whatever. You don’t like hip-hop, and nobody is asking you to go out and buy a Jay-Z record. But if I decided I didn’t like rock music, it wouldn’t make it right for me to say there isn’t any talent involved. It’d kinda make me look silly and ignorant, right? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/50 "2010-08-08T04:13:35Z")
Listen, guys. I’ve seen a velvet painting of Elvis, I don’t see why you guys keep trying to drag me to the Getty to see that Monet guy. _All_ paintings are terrible- I know because I saw one once. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/51 "2010-08-08T04:13:49Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I haven’t clicked on any videos because it takes to long to load and play them on my computer and because I already know what they sound like anyway. They all sound the same. > > Anyway, problem remains that I can’t upload _anything_. I don’t have a camera and I don’t know _how_ to upload anything. Really? You know what a blind link sounds like? Are there no levels of intellectual dishonesty that you won’t sink to try to avoid admitting you’re wrong or don’t know what you’re talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/52 "2010-08-08T04:14:34Z")
Congratulations. Another thread derailed. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/53 "2010-08-08T04:16:44Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I haven’t clicked on any videos because it takes to long to load and play them on my computer and because I already know what they sound like anyway. They all sound the same. > > Anyway, problem remains that I can’t upload _anything_. I don’t have a camera and I don’t know _how_ to upload anything. Can you do me a favor? This’ll be fun. Tell us what the videos we’ve posted are like. They all sound the same - characterize that sound. edit again: [here’s another](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tif1C6dwH6o). What will all these sound like? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/54 "2010-08-08T04:17:58Z")
It derailed the second he posted, as does every other thread he posts to does. _c’est la vie_. ---
**Author:** ![rolandgunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cdc98d/32.png) [@rolandgunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rolandgunslinger)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/55 "2010-08-08T04:20:39Z")
I pretty much agree with **Dio**. But I also think KISS is one of the greatest bands ever. So there ya go.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/56 "2010-08-08T04:21:51Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I haven’t clicked on any videos because it takes to long to load and play them on my computer and because I already know what they sound like anyway. They all sound the same. > > > > Anyway, problem remains that I can’t upload _anything_. I don’t have a camera and I don’t know _how_ to upload anything. > > Can you do me a favor? This’ll be fun. > > Tell us what the videos we’ve posted are like. They all sound the same - characterize that sound. > > edit again: [here’s another](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tif1C6dwH6o). What will all these sound like? I wanna play! Characterize this [one](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuCY0w0idSM), too! ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/57 "2010-08-08T04:24:50Z")
> [@Hades](#): > > > [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > > > Can you do me a favor? This’ll be fun. > > > > Tell us what the videos we’ve posted are like. They all sound the same - characterize that sound. > > > > edit again: [here’s another](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tif1C6dwH6o). What will all these sound like? > > I wanna play! Characterize this [one](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuCY0w0idSM), too! Jay Z looks great with his hair grown out like that. ---
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/58 "2010-08-08T04:25:24Z")
Isn’t rap (the vocal part, not the music) kind of like the same concept as Beat poetry? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/59 "2010-08-08T04:27:35Z")
It only takes one time trying to get with MIA and ending up in the sack with Bubba Sparxxx to realize the gravity of the “all rappers are the same” problem. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/60 "2010-08-08T04:40:18Z")
They all sound like rap. Duh. Some idiot chanting inanities over somebody else’s music. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559.md?page=4)