# Will Rap/Hip Hop ever go stale? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 8, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559 "2010-08-08T00:14:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/81 "2010-08-08T05:40:48Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I would need a beat, at least, but the main problem remains that I don’t have any equipment to record or upload a video to the internet, and even if I did, I don’t have a clue how to do it. I’ve honestly never uploaded anything in my life. I don’t even think my computer could handle it. > > Well, I suppose if the byzantine intricacies of YouTube are too much for you to handle ( :rolleyes: ) it’s probably too much to ask if you have access to iTunes, or a similar online music store? I don’t know what iTunes is. I have never tried to buy music off the internet, and would have no idea how to download it onto something else. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/82 "2010-08-08T05:42:23Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I agreed that original composition requires talent. Can we all agree that stealing samples does _not_ require talent? > > I actually disagree with that Really? It takes talent to steal samples? Do tell. What’s the hard part, pushing “record?” ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/83 "2010-08-08T05:43:09Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > > > I actually disagree with that > > Really? It takes talent to steal samples? Do tell. What’s the hard part, pushing “record?” You realize they don’t just copy an entire song, right? Or take the entire musical aspect of another song and rap over it, right? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/84 "2010-08-08T05:47:32Z")
You mean like Puff Daddy taking whole Police songs and just changing the words to them? Yes, I realize they usually only steal a riff or two. So what? It’s still stealing. It still requires no skill or creativity to loop a Van Halen riff. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/85 "2010-08-08T05:47:40Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Really? It takes talent to steal samples? Do tell. What’s the hard part, pushing “record?” That’s not actually what sampling entails, but even if it were, that’s already more talent than you have, by your own admission: > [@](#): > > I don’t know how to work a digital camera (I’ve never owned one)… Here’s how you work a digital camera: you point it at something, and you press “record.” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/86 "2010-08-08T05:49:33Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Yes, I realize they usually only steal a riff or two. Nope. Still wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/87 "2010-08-08T05:49:48Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You mean like Puff Daddy taking whole Police songs and just changing the words to them? > > Yes, I realize they usually only steal a riff or two. So what? It’s still stealing. It still requires no skill or creativity to loop a Van Halen riff. So, because you heard one Diddy song from 1999, you have a deep understanding of how sampling works? Well, sure. That makes perfect sense. If you had a computer that could play complex interweb things like the Youtubes, I’d give you some rap songs and have you try to arse out the samples (I’d wager real money that you couldn’t). Like **Miller** alluded to, good sampling usually doesn’t even take “a riff or two.” That song sucks ass, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/88 "2010-08-08T06:02:12Z")
Great. I still don’t have the slightest idea how to post a vide on the internet, and I’m sure as hell not going to go buy a video camera that I would never have any other use for. I don’t know shit about computers. Sorry. Mock me if you want, but about all I can do is surf the internet. I never had them growing up. They didn’t have computer classes when I was in high school (computers were at the Commodore 64 stage then), and in my young adulthood I never owned one or learn how to use them. I did my papers in college on a 90’s era Brother typewriter. I never owned a computer until 2002, when I was 36 years old. When I first started posting here, I’d been online for like a month. I’m still posting on the same computer. I’ve never learned how to do anything with a computer but surf the internet, plus I’m technophobic as hell. I’ve never bought anything like an iPod or or a webcam because I don’t know how to use them, and I’m not going to go spend money on one and try to figure out how to use it for this kind of bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/89 "2010-08-08T06:03:33Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > Yes, I realize they usually only steal a riff or two. > > Nope. Still wrong. No, that’s absolutely correct. I’ve heard them. I can name the riffs. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/90 "2010-08-08T06:06:50Z")
Yeah, we get it: you don’t want to learn how to use a computer or have one that can access websites. It’s cool. I gave up on our epic rap battle pages ago, friend. What I’m saying is: we have no way of dispelling these misconceptions you hold, because we’re talking about music and you sort of need to be able to listen to it to get it. You’re not well versed in the world of rap music and you hold several ideas about it that are blatantly wrong (1: that it’s all sampled 2: how sampling even works— to start with). Now, do I think you’re a bad person because of your ignorance? No, but until there’s a way we can help bring you out of the cave into the sunlight, it’s not like we can have a meaningful discussion here. So, let’s agree to disagree until you are in a position to be able to be given examples of the type of music the rest of us are talking about (ie: not a Diddy song from. . . JFC, _ **1997** _). Lots happens in the world of music in 13 years. **Edit to add:** Just saw your reply above mine. You still don’t get it. When you can name the “riff”-- it’s a shitty rap song and a shitty rapper doing some shitty sampling (well, not always. There are certainly times where that works, but let’s not get into that). In fact, this was something that was much more common in _older_ rap music. Plenty of rap songs now sample and you would never be able to guess what they are sampling (and that’s not counting that most of them don’t sample at all). They don’t sample a riff at all- the fact that you’re saying that shows you’re completely ignorant to how it works. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/91 "2010-08-08T06:11:11Z")
I also heard that song where some guy took an Eddie Van Halen riff from “Jamie’s Cryin’” and looped it over and over again for the whole song (“Wild Thing,” I think it was called). And There was some rap group (DMC something?) that also basically just rapped over Aerosmith’s “Walk This Way.” Real creative. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/92 "2010-08-08T06:12:39Z")
LOL Ok. You have to be joking now. You’re joking, right? RIGHT? No, really: you’re fucking with us now, right? ---
**Author:** ![gladtobeblazed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@gladtobeblazed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gladtobeblazed)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/93 "2010-08-08T06:13:30Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Great. I still don’t have the slightest idea how to post a vide on the internet, and I’m sure as hell not going to go buy a video camera that I would never have any other use for. You don’t need a video camera, just a microphone. Plug it into the computer line in and open up sound recorder. Hit record, then hit save. Then open up a Youtube account and upload the sound file, it doesn’t need to be a video file. It’s pretty damn simple. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/94 "2010-08-08T06:14:28Z")
Oh, and Kid Rock rapped over huge chunks of Metallica’s “Sad but True.” That was more recent. On an unrelated note, Eminem is like 40 years old. Isn’t it time for him to stop whining about his mom? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/95 "2010-08-08T06:15:41Z")
He can yell at the rest of us to get off your lawn with you, if you’d like. ---
**Author:** ![multimediac17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/839c29/32.png) [@multimediac17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/multimediac17)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/96 "2010-08-08T06:16:44Z")
I’ve decided this has to be a huge joke, a parody of people who try to argue about things they know nothing about, and that Diogenes is actually blasting Missy Elliott featuring Ludacris from his iTunes while checking out the new M.I.A. video on YouTube. Good one, you got us good! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/97 "2010-08-08T06:16:48Z")
> [@gladtobeblazed](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > Great. I still don’t have the slightest idea how to post a vide on the internet, and I’m sure as hell not going to go buy a video camera that I would never have any other use for. > > You don’t need a video camera, just a microphone. Plug it into the computer line in and open up sound recorder. Hit record, then hit save. Then open up a Youtube account and upload the sound file, it doesn’t need to be a video file. It’s pretty damn simple. I don’t know how to do any of this. My computer doesn’t even have a line in. I tried to put a microphone in it to use Skype one, and it doesn’t have an input jack anywhere. I don’t know what you mean by “opening up a sound recorder” either. I don’t know what that is. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/98 "2010-08-08T06:19:25Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > LOL Ok. You have to be joking now. You’re joking, right? RIGHT? > > No, really: you’re fucking with us now, right? I haven’t watched MTV in a long time, and those are the examples I could remember off the top of my head. I had a client who used to listen to Eminem all the time, so that was the only current rapper I ever heard much of. Every song was either complaining about his mom or threatening to kill his wife. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/99 "2010-08-08T06:19:59Z")
**Dio** , I have a legitimate question: _are you my dad?_ Because he, at 60, also doesn’t know how to put a microphone into his computer, access Youtube, and thinks Run DMC is current music. And he told me to get off of his lawn yesterday, which I thought was pretty rude. I’m putting his ass in a home. ---
**Author:** ![gladtobeblazed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@gladtobeblazed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gladtobeblazed)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2010, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559/100 "2010-08-08T06:21:12Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I don’t know how to do any of this. My computer doesn’t even have a line in. I tried to put a microphone in it to use Skype one, and it doesn’t have an input jack anywhere. I don’t know what you mean by “opening up a sound recorder” either. I don’t know what that is. Good lord, even my old Pentium computer from '96 had a line in. I assume you’re using Windows, as far as I know Sound Recorder has been under “Accessories” since Windows 95. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-rap-hip-hop-ever-go-stale/549559.md?page=6)