# Will right-wing demagogues STFU already about "black-on-black" violence? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 25, 2014, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584 "2014-11-25T11:34:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/41 "2014-11-26T00:45:56Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But you go ahead and continue to blame whitey. How’s that been working out for you so far? I wouldn’t know. I don’t blame white people for crime. I also - unlike you - don’t blame black people or hispanic people for crime. I blame criminals for crime. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/42 "2014-11-26T01:46:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I wouldn’t know. I don’t blame white people for crime. I also - unlike you - don’t blame black people or hispanic people for crime. I blame criminals for crime. How nice. Maybe you should try blaming criminals for crime. But you might want to buy a dictionary and take a logic course first, as it seems like it would benefit you greatly. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/43 "2014-11-26T01:55:28Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > I would bet that there would have been a similar, albeit lower, level of outrage if an unarmed white teenager had been shot by a neighborhood watchman and the shooter wasn’t arrested or investigated. Conservatives love pointing out examples of black cops killing unarmed white people that get little media traction. It doesn’t fit in with the narrative of evil white people systematically oppressing black people because racism. Also examples of black people killing white people in horrific ways that the media doesn’t cover outside of where it happens, e.g. Christopher Newsom. Though that was awhile ago by now. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/44 "2014-11-26T01:55:46Z")
The issue isn’t that black crime should be blamed on “whitey.” It’s that certain right-wing politicians and pundits, in this case Rudy Giuliani, refuse to engage the topic of racial inequities in law enforcement until black people show the never-defined requisite level of outrage over the separate problem of black-on-black crime. I do believe it would be great if blacks committed less crime and lower crime rates in black communities would undoubtedly create fewer opportunities for these episodes to occur. But that’s not the topic of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/45 "2014-11-26T02:07:40Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I blame criminals for crime. > [@magellan01](#): > > Maybe you should try blaming criminals for crime. Well, I can’t argue against that point obviously. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/46 "2014-11-26T02:50:28Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > It’s that certain right-wing politicians and pundits, in this case Rudy Giuliani, refuse to engage the topic of racial inequities in law enforcement until black people show the never-defined requisite level of outrage over the separate problem of black-on-black crime. I think you got one big false dichotomy there, bro. But I’m open to being proven wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DingoelGringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@DingoelGringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DingoelGringo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/47 "2014-11-26T02:56:20Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Perhaps the point is that if black on black crime/killings ever did fall then the likelihood is that cop on black killings would also fall. That the latter set of crimes are not completely independent of the former. > > The thing is some of these people giving undue attention to cop on black killings _are_ hypocrites. Thats what community and political leaders do, they play politics. Politics attracts more than your fair share of shysters. \*\*Some politicians play fairly \*\*and in a distinguished manner, some are hypocrites, some are nasty sob’s. None of this is of course limited to one community. Almost the entire political culture(in the US and abroad) contain dubious means & tactics. Have any examples of politicos who play fair? Being a politico itself shows that oone is dishonest in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![DingoelGringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@DingoelGringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DingoelGringo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/48 "2014-11-26T03:01:00Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I see you have trouble reading. Unsurprisingly. No one is blaming black victims. No one. The suggestion is that the black _community_, like that in Ferguson or Chicago, or even writ large, look to those things that are killing great numbers of people within those communities. Like, oh I don’t know—BLACK CRIMINALS, you dumb fuck. But you go ahead and continue to blame whitey. How’s that been working out for you so far? The innocent—non-criminal—blacks in Chicago that will be killed in the coming weeks, months and years will surely be grateful to you. I am white as one can get. I have been the victim of violent crime twice and both times it was another white guy of about my own age, not some “Black kid” or 'Spanish scum" but a white guy with a fist who hit me when he knew where to find my wallet. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/49 "2014-11-26T03:02:56Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. Are you sending a message to him? ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/50 "2014-11-26T03:50:15Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > The difference in that instance, of course, was that an unarmed black teenager was shot dead in the street and it initially wasn’t even treated as potentially a crime or thoroughly investigated. That was the source of the outrage and what made it national news. I’m not sure why this fact seems incapable of permeating the minds of those who think the Trayvon outrage was all because a black person was killed by a white (or not-so-white) person. > > I would bet that there would have been a similar, albeit lower, level of outrage if an unarmed white teenager had been shot by a neighborhood watchman and the shooter wasn’t arrested or investigated. Actually, Zimmerman was interrogated for 5 hours, took a lie detector test, had a medical exam and participated in a video reenactment of the event for police. I’m not saying the investigation was perfect by any means, but to say it wasn’t investigated is absurd. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/51 "2014-11-26T05:35:21Z")
> [@DingoelGringo](#): > > I am white as one can get. I have been the victim of violent crime twice and both times it was another white guy of about my own age, not some “Black kid” or 'Spanish scum" but a white guy with a fist who hit me when he knew where to find my wallet. It is my understanding that most crime is within the same race, e.g., white on white, black on black. So, what do you find noteworthy about the race of your assailants? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/52 "2014-11-26T16:03:12Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > It’s always easier to complain about bad things that happen to us than to focus on the bad things we do to ourselves. The former cries to the heavens about change others should make. The latter about change we should make ourselves. :eek: :smack: The context of this comment makes it clear you’re either a racist or an imbecile. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And black people who do not commit crimes are not criminals. > … I hope this will help. But I doubt it. Maybe it will help. Can **magellan01** repost to clarify whether he’s a racist or just an imbecile? > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Well, why _can’t_ black people just get together and decide to stop killing each other? As with many of his posts, it’s hard to tell whether **John Mace** thinks he makes oh-oh-so-clever imitations of assholery, or is just an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/53 "2014-11-26T20:10:56Z")
> [@Donald Rump](#): > > It’s that certain right-wing politicians and pundits, in this case Rudy Giuliani, refuse to engage the topic of racial inequities in law enforcement until black people show the never-defined requisite level of outrage over the separate problem of black-on-black crime. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think you got one big false dichotomy there, bro. But I’m open to being proven wrong. Obviously, a person can care about both black people being disproportionately killed by the police, and black people being disproportionately killed by criminals, but that isn’t what’s happening when you bring up the second to argue that people should be less bothered by the first. (Also, it looks like Donald Rump is accusing Rudy of a false dichotomy rather than setting up his own) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/54 "2014-11-26T20:18:01Z")
I think we focus on the wrong thing. The problem isn’t racial inequities in who gets unjustifiably shot or abused. It’s that the police unjustifiably shoot and abuse people! When everyone portrays it as a black problem, what it really means is that it’s a problem that will never actually be addressed. And we can’t address it, because you can’t solve the problem of police brutality by telling them to shoot, tase, and beat more white people. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/55 "2014-11-26T20:32:03Z")
Milwaukee police chief Edward Flynn [has something to say](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7MAO7McNKE) that seems to be appropriate for this thread. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584/56 "2014-11-26T21:10:33Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think we focus on the wrong thing. The problem isn’t racial inequities in who gets unjustifiably shot or abused. It’s that the police unjustifiably shoot and abuse people! When everyone portrays it as a black problem, what it really means is that it’s a problem that will never actually be addressed. And we can’t address it, because you can’t solve the problem of police brutality by telling them to shoot, tase, and beat more white people. I think a lot of problems in this country could be solved or greatly improved if various interest groups would quit standing on opposite sides of the street and pointing fingers at each other and saying “we don’t care about your stupid problems because only our problems are real problems” and instead would get together. Poverty and the way we treat poor people is a big problem, but instead of poor people getting together, we’d rather just make it black vs. white. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-right-wing-demagogues-stfu-already-about-black-on-black-violence/705584.md?page=2)