# Will Romney getting caught lying in an ad hurt his chances? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 29, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245 "2012-10-29T18:46:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/1 "2012-10-29T18:46:45Z")
He’s been caught so many times before but the misleading ad and his in person speaking claiming Chrysler was planning to move Jeep production to China may be the last straw. [http://blog.chryslerllc.com/blog.do?id=1932&p=entry](http://blog.chryslerllc.com/blog.do?id=1932&p=entry) > [@](#): > > Jeep in China > by Gualberto Ranieri (Senior VP of communications for Jeep) > October 25, 2012 4:24 PM > There are times when the reading of a newswire report generates storms originated by a biased or predisposed approach. > > **snip** > Despite clear and accurate reporting, the take has given birth to a number of stories making readers believe that Chrysler plans to shift all Jeep production to China from North America, and therefore idle assembly lines and U.S. workforce. It is a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats. > > Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. Romney lies: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/5kQ8ugDa1U0/hqdefault.jpg "Romney Lies About Jeep") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kQ8ugDa1U0) ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/2 "2012-10-29T18:52:40Z")
It hasn’t so far, has it? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/3 "2012-10-29T18:56:28Z")
Well, Romney is a lying sack, but are we really gonna take Chrysler’s word for anything when they say they ain’t ship jobs overseas? I mean, Romney could be lying, but he also could just be speaking out of turn. ---
**Author:** ![bigdfrombigd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df705f/32.png) [@bigdfrombigd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bigdfrombigd)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/4 "2012-10-29T19:00:22Z")
How do we know he’s lying? Are you going to believe the Chrysler people? I think that there could be a very good possibility that he is telling the truth. He is going to win by a landslide so I guess the point is moot. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/5 "2012-10-29T19:02:18Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Well, Romney is a lying sack, but are we really gonna take Chrysler’s word for anything when they say they ain’t ship jobs overseas? > > I mean, Romney could be lying, but he also could just be speaking out of turn. I think Chrysler’s recent investments in its Ohio Jeep plants speak a lot louder than anything else. I can’t see this doing anything but destroying his chances in Ohio. What a lying little piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/6 "2012-10-29T19:05:33Z")
> [@bigdfrombigd](#): > > How do we know he’s lying? His lips are moving? And to answer the OP’s question: no, getting caught in [another] lie won’t hurt his chances. As long as he stays white and republican, it doesn’t really matter what his actual positions are (or were, or what they’ll be in the future). ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/7 "2012-10-29T19:06:11Z")
> [@bigdfrombigd](#): > > How do we know he’s lying? Are you going to believe the Chrysler people? I think that there could be a very good possibility that he is telling the truth. He is going to win by a landslide so I guess the point is moot. How would Romney know what Chrysler is going to do? Win by a landslide? I’m skeptical. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/8 "2012-10-29T19:11:12Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Well, Romney is a lying sack, but are we really gonna take Chrysler’s word for anything when they say they ain’t ship jobs overseas? > > I mean, Romney could be lying, but he also could just be speaking out of turn. Be that as it may, and Romney may be making a statement as true as the day is long, but I would imagine the people who work for Chrysler/Jeep in Ohio, and their family and friends, in a battle of he-said-it-said, would have a tendency to believe Chrysler/Jeep rather than an opportunistic politician in the final weeks before election day. [Especially since Jeep just invested a half-million in its Toledo plant, and over a billion elsewhere in the U.S.](http://media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do;jsessionid=B30E9ED8BE2E414D7BDF83182A163D2C?&id=11762&mid=18). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/9 "2012-10-29T19:14:36Z")
That audio clip leaves off a critical piece of what he said. What he said was: \*“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep—now owned by the Italians — is thinking of moving all production to China,” \* It’s true that there have been stories published about this. They were either wrong or misleading about what was actually happening. And note that he said they were “thinking” of doing this, not that they were going to do it. You might be able to catch Romney in a lie, but not this time. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/10 "2012-10-29T19:18:38Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That audio clip leaves off a critical piece of what he said. What he said was: > > \*“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep—now owned by the Italians — is thinking of moving all production to China,” > \* > > It’s true that there have been stories published about this. They were either wrong or misleading about what was actually happening. And note that he said they were “thinking” of doing this, not that they were going to do it. > > You might be able to catch Romney in a lie, but not this time. There is no evidence that Chrysler was thinking about it. To the contrary, Chrysler has made significant investments in its Ohio plant. He’s running to be president, not editor of the National Fucking Enquirer. If he reads somewhere that Russia is thinking about launching a missile, is he going to do a pre-emptive launch? Is there anything Romney could say that you wouldn’t give him a pass on? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/11 "2012-10-29T19:20:18Z")
Here’s the Bloomberg story that probably started this rumor: > [@](#): > > [**Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises**](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html) > > Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region. > > \ > > “The volume opportunity for us is very significant,” Manley, who is also president of the Jeep brand, said in an interview at Chrysler’s Auburn Hills, Michigan, headquarters. “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/12 "2012-10-29T19:20:22Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That audio clip leaves off a critical piece of what he said. What he said was: > > \*“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep—now owned by the Italians — is thinking of moving all production to China,” > \* > > It’s true that there have been stories published about this. They were either wrong or misleading about what was actually happening. And note that he said they were “thinking” of doing this, not that they were going to do it. > > You might be able to catch Romney in a lie, but not this time. So is being economical with the truth a lie or not? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/13 "2012-10-29T19:23:12Z")
Are you kidding, he has been busted on that ‘Obama has eliminated the work requirement for welfare’ canard time and again and that crap was in an ad on Pandora 5 minutes ago. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/14 "2012-10-29T19:34:51Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Here’s the Bloomberg story that probably started this rumor: They’re also considering moving production [from the US to Italy](http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy). And yes, they are considering moving production out of the US, and then importing the cars back to the US for sale. This article is a re-hash of a story that broke a week or two ago. I even started a thread about it, and was shouted down by Dopers who assured me that it makes no sense for Fiat to do such a thing. Except that, apparently, it does. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/15 "2012-10-29T20:05:19Z")
Lying his ass off has not hurt him at all so far and it helped him tremendously in the first debate, why would anyone think this is going to be any different? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/16 "2012-10-29T20:07:23Z")
The Obama campaign is out [w/ an ad pushing back](http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-camp-releases-response-ad-to-romneys-jeep?ref=fpblg) on Romney’s claims, and straight-up use the “L” word. Is this the first time they’ve used the word Lie in one of their official ads? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/17 "2012-10-29T21:16:58Z")
Hmm. Seems to me that ad is a lie, since Romney didn’t say what it claims he said. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/18 "2012-10-29T21:19:41Z")
I have to admit the title of this thread made me chuckle. If lying in political ads had a negative impact with voters I think we’d have noticed by now. And even by the standards of political lies this is a rather tame one, in that it’s obviously misleading but you could plausibly read the text in a way that’s not false. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/19 "2012-10-29T21:22:59Z")
[Romney seems to have no problems with chinese manufacturing.](https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/223613_10151100337237227_1794423436_n.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245/20 "2012-10-29T21:27:15Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Hmm. Seems to me that ad is a lie, since Romney didn’t say what it claims he said. Please explain which part of the ad you feel is a lie. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-romney-getting-caught-lying-in-an-ad-hurt-his-chances/639245.md?page=2)