# Will Silverado beat The Lion in Winter's record? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912 "2018-04-22T20:37:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/1 "2018-04-22T20:37:27Z")
_Silverado_ was playing on TV this afternoon which got me thinking. Some people noted _The Lion in Winter_ for the longevity of its cast. The movie was made in 1968. And as late as 2003 (the year Katherine Hepburn died) all of its major cast members were still alive. That’s a thirty-five year run. _Silverado_ was made in 1985, thirty-three years ago. All of its major cast members - Kevin Kline, Scott Glenn, Rosanna Arquette, John Cleese, Kevin Costner, Brian Dennehy, Danny Glover, Jeff Goldblum, and Linda Hunt are still alive. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/2 "2018-04-22T21:09:05Z")
Personally, I’d like to see all movies beat that record from now on–in other words, immortality for everyone! (With a couple of exceptions.) But I suppose that’s off the table. I’m not sure how meaningful a statistic that is, anyway: the obvious way to win is to make movies with no cast other than a single infant. Make enough of them and you could get a record of 100 years, perhaps. But in any case: both are very enjoyable movies. I’m glad the _Silverado_ folks are all still with us, and about half of the _Lion_ people, too (Anthony Hopkins, Timothy Dalton, Jane Merrow, and John Castle). Long live! ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/3 "2018-04-22T21:25:10Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/4 "2018-04-22T21:29:08Z")
Yeah, seems like “Bugsy Malone,” or a “Little Rascals” short, should do better, but I’m too lazy to check. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/5 "2018-04-22T21:44:19Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Yeah, seems like “Bugsy Malone,” or a “Little Rascals” short, should do better, but I’m too lazy to check. Several of the main “Our Gang / Little Rascals” actors died young: - [Carl Switzer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Switzer) (Alfalfa) was shot to death in 1959 (age 31) - [Billy Laughlin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Laughlin) (Froggy) was killed in a traffic accident in 1948 (age 16) - [Darla Hood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darla_Hood) (Darla) died due to heart failure (caused by acute hepatitis, after an operation) in 1979 (age 47) ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/6 "2018-04-22T21:47:08Z")
“The Goonies” - 1985? I’m not sure how extensive the main cast is. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/7 "2018-04-22T22:09:29Z")
[Moderating] Fixed title. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/8 "2018-04-22T22:24:09Z")
> [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](#): > > “The Goonies” - 1985? > > I’m not sure how extensive the main cast is. It’s a judgement call. In the case of _The Goonies_, do you consider Sloth one of the main characters? Because John Matuszak died in 1989. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/9 "2018-04-22T22:26:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s a judgement call. In the case of _The Goonies_, do you consider Sloth one of the main characters? Because John Matuszak died in 1989. (I’ve never seen the movie, I just knew it was mostly kid stars.) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/10 "2018-04-22T22:35:23Z")
Hmmm. Best as I can tell, the seven main cast members of 1980’s _Flash Gordon_ are still alive\*, including Max von Sydow, Brian Blessed and Topol, none of whom are particularly young. \*\*\*\* ALIVE!?\*\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/11 "2018-04-22T22:41:43Z")
Who is a major cast member of the movie _Baby Doll_, released in 1956? Karl Malden died in 2009. Carroll Baker is still alive. Eli Wallach died in 2014. Mildred Dunnock died in 1991. Lonny Chapman died in 2007. It’s unknown when Eades Hogue died It’s unknown when Noah Williamson died. The director, Elia Kazan, died in 2003. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/12 "2018-04-22T22:42:14Z")
_Give 'Em Hell Harry_ had 34 years before James Whitmore died. And Whitmore was 54 when the film was made. One of the kids in _Bugsy Malone_ died in 1992, so it’s only 16 years. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/13 "2018-04-22T22:51:15Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s a judgement call. In the case of _The Goonies_, do you consider Sloth one of the main characters? Because John Matuszak died in 1989. Anne Ramsey (who played the main antagonist (and Sloth’s mother), Mama Fratelli) predeceased him in 1988. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/14 "2018-04-23T02:26:19Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > _Silverado_ was playing on TV this afternoon which got me thinking. > > Some people noted _The Lion in Winter_ for the longevity of its cast. The movie was made in 1968. And as late as 2003 (the year Katherine Hepburn died) all of its major cast members were still alive. That’s a thirty-five year run. > > _Silverado_ was made in 1985, thirty-three years ago. All of its major cast members - Kevin Kline, Scott Glenn, Rosanna Arquette, John Cleese, Kevin Costner, Brian Dennehy, Danny Glover, Jeff Goldblum, and Linda Hunt are still alive. How about _Terms of Endearment_ from 1983, which managed to win Best Picture at the Oscars? Shirley MacLaine, who thereby won Best Actress, is still with us; and so is Jack Nicholson, who thereby won Best Supporting Actor; and so are Debra Winger and John Lithgow, who got an Oscar nomination apiece for it; and so is Jeff Daniels, and so is Danny DeVito; and so on, and so on? ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/15 "2018-04-23T03:28:48Z")
As far as I can tell, the first credited actor from _Old Yeller_ (1957) to die was Chuck Connors in 1992, 35 years later. Presumably the canine actor died earlier, but he wasn’t credited. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/16 "2018-04-23T05:20:22Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > _Silverado_ was made in 1985, thirty-three years ago. All of its major cast members - Kevin Kline, Scott Glenn, Rosanna Arquette, John Cleese, Kevin Costner, Brian Dennehy, Danny Glover, Jeff Goldblum, and Linda Hunt are still alive. Speaking of Jeff Goldblum and Kevin Kline — and, technically, Kevin Costner — first there was _The Big Chill_, which put Tom Berenger and Glenn Close and William Hurt and Mary Kay Place and Meg Tilly and JoBeth Williams on the poster. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-silverado-beat-the-lion-in-winters-record/812912/17 "2018-04-23T05:31:12Z")
> [@bibliophage](#): > > As far as I can tell, the first credited actor from _Old Yeller_ (1957) to die was Chuck Connors in 1992, 35 years later. Presumably the canine actor died earlier, but he wasn’t credited. _Heaven Knows, Mister Allison_ came out earlier that same year, and as far as I can tell its first castmember to die was Robert Mitchum in 1997.