# ...will the board consider explicit transphobia hate-speech?

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**Created:** [October 23, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-board-consider-explicit-transphobia-hate-speech/842204 "2019-10-23T23:18:35Z")\
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**Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-board-consider-explicit-transphobia-hate-speech/842204/34 "2019-10-24T15:03:47Z")

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> [@Jasmine](#):
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> To announce that ANY person is not a “real person” is cruel, hurtful, and narrow-minded. It reeks of prejudice and malice…

See, this is why Sunny Daze going down this path of misparsing and distorting what Urbanredneck said is such a distraction. Half the posts in in this thread are now about _something he didn’t say_. Again, he said:

> [@Transgender activists pressure Always to Womens symbol of feminine hygiene products](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/24):
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> NO, transwomen are transwomen and transmen are transmen. Not REAL men and women.

IN context, his second sentence should obviously be parsed as:

> [@](#):
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> (Not REAL men) and ([not REAL] women)

In other words, his rhetorical structure, in context, is precisely equivalent to saying (correcting his willful misgendering):

> [@my paraphrase of Urbanredneck](#):
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> Transmen are transmen, not REAL men; transwomen are transwomen, not REAL women.

Nothing more. In plain English, his statement does not exclude the (misguided) belief that transmen are women, transowomen are men, i.e. that gender identity as distinct from biological sex assigned at birth is in some sense not real. Can we please put to bed the false claim that he said anyone is not a real _person_, and stick to the actual important issue at hand, of whether the vile things he did say should be tolerated on this board.

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