# Will the jackass known as ElvisL1ves please report to this thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 16, 2002, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644 "2002-03-16T18:35:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/21 "2002-03-18T15:07:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > \*\* > Something is really fucked with Search - I think the Search index needs rebuilding badly. A multitude of threads are not showing up at all. \*\* Remember that threads back to December (the month - not the poster) were lost in the hacking incident. Any threads between then and the new board have been lost to the void. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/22 "2002-03-18T16:06:52Z")
Anthracite is quite right, I’ve done some searches on topics/threads I know were pre-7 December and came up with nothing. There is definately a problem with the underlying data or the index used by the engine. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/23 "2002-03-18T18:16:00Z")
Precisely. It is threads before Dec 7 that I cannot find. I imagine it’s just the Search Index that needs rebuilding, which is not an uncommon occurance, especially after an upgrade. It’s easy to do, but extremely time-consuming - on the order of taking the SDMB down for hours, not minutes. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/24 "2002-03-18T19:12:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by \*\*Anthracite \*\*\* > I imagine it’s just the Search Index that needs rebuilding, which is not an uncommon occurance, especially after an upgrade. It’s easy to do, but extremely time-consuming - on the order of taking the SDMB down for hours, not minutes. There’s been a lot of talk about this over in ATMB – I haven’t heard any discussion of taking the board down, but they’re saying (and I’m pretty sure I recall a statement to this effect from **Jerry the Tech God** ) that it’s gonna be days before all the king’s horses and all the king’s men get the search index all rebuilt. I got the impression that it’s a process that’s occurring even as we speak. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/25 "2002-03-18T19:37:50Z")
Just for the record, [This site](http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_03_10_archive.html#75013167) links to a RealAudio recording of the Paul Harvey commentary in question, as well as to relevant articles exposing the falsehood about the Lay/Clinton connection. There is a full-time cottage industry dedicated to cleaning up partisan lies from the right wing, because, let’s face it, they make a full-time job required. I have no word on if Mr. Harvey has retracted his on-air column, but I have seen no retraction from **December** or **Neurotik** or any of several others who have posted in this thread, either. I have now supported **December** ’s claim better than he himself did, and better than **Neurotik** did either, although he has had the same Net access, as well as enough time to whine in multiple posts about being caught out spreading bullshit. “It’s taking longer than we thought.” - Cecil/Ed “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me a hundred times, shower me with derision.” - Old Earth proverb, amended suitably ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/26 "2002-03-18T19:39:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Just when did use of facts and reasoning become evidence of “liberal bias”? When you use “facts” (incorrect or incomplete information) and “reasoning” (the liberal spin) to bash and lay blame whenever you can on Bush and Republicans. > [@](#): > > I was merely inferring childeshness from your ridiculous willingness to bash a poster for the sole reason that he \<\\> has liberal political beliefs. Nope, never bashed a poster for the sole reason he has liberal political beliefs. I have, however, been bashing a poster for doing whatever he can to discredit and attack those who disagree with him. I have been pointing out that Elvis is a die-hard fanatical mouth-foaming Bush hater, who is willing to lie and twist information to accomplish his goals, and one who is condescending and insulting to Republicans/conservatives for the sole reason that they do not share his political beliefs. > [@](#): > > Grow up and realize that people are entitled to their opinions, Monster, especially when they can articulate them well and back them up with data and authorities. Entitled to opinions, yes, but he pushes it past the extreme. And “data and authorities” he presents, at least as far as political threads go, are always slanted and spun in favor of his political beliefs. Sometimes, they don’t have anything to do with anything. And other times, he brings in totally _unrelated_ (and often incorrect) material into a thread for the sole purpose of getting potshots in at Bush/republicans/conservatives/those who disagree with him. That’s my beef with his behavior. I’m trying to get some good examples of this behavior, but like I said I’m having a little difficulty with slow board speed and problems with the search. And speaking of which, thanks all for the information about the database. ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/27 "2002-03-18T19:51:14Z")
[quotes] There is a full-time cottage industry dedicated to cleaning up partisan lies from the right wing, because, let’s face it, they make a full-time job required. [/quote] Well, this is along the lines of what I’m talking about. Large, sweeping claims about a whole group, simply because he disagrees with them. (note: I know there are a lot of extreme right partisan lies, but then again, there are a lot of extreme left partisan lies as well. Is it fair for me to then characterize the left wing as making partisan lies?) ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/28 "2002-03-18T19:59:31Z")
Of course, that tag was supposed to be quote, not quotes. :o ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/29 "2002-03-18T20:10:59Z")
> [@](#): > > I have been pointing out that Elvis is a die-hard fanatical mouth-foaming Bush hater, In other words, you’re trashing him for his politicial beliefs. Very broad-minded and grown-up of you there, Monster. > [@](#): > > . . . who is willing to lie and twist information to accomplish his goals, As soon as the search function is operational again, you’d damned well better find some examples of “lies” and “twisting information.” Those are serious charges that demand either substantiation or retraction on the part of the accuser. And I don’t mean examples where authorities and sources simply disagree with each other, or where it’s honestly possible to reach different conclusions from the same underlying facts. I want to see something that _conclusively_ demonstrates lies and twisting of information on the part of **Elvis**. You are directly accusing a fellow poster of outright dishonesty, a/k/a being a jerk. Put up or shut up. > [@](#): > > . . . and one who is condescending and insulting to Republicans/conservatives for the sole reason that they do not share his political beliefs. Welcome to Great Debates, where people with strong feelings on all sides of an issue take up their causes 24 hours a day. Not everyone is 100% polite 100% of the time. I’d have a lot more faith that you really were being bipartisan in your piling on if I could recall you taking a conservative to task for rudeness. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I can recall no such instances on your part. > [@](#): > > Entitled to opinions, yes, but he pushes it past the extreme. So then he’s not really entitled to those opinions in your view, right? > [@](#): > > Is it fair for me to then characterize the left wing as making partisan lies? If you can back it up, absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/30 "2002-03-18T22:02:05Z")
> [@](#): > > In other words, you’re trashing him for his politicial beliefs. Very broad-minded and grown-up of you there, Monster. No, I’m trashing him for his persisting behavior in doing what he can to bash Bush/republicans/conservatives/those who disagree with him. > [@](#): > > Welcome to Great Debates, where people with strong feelings on all sides of an issue take up their causes 24 hours a day. Not everyone is 100% polite 100% of the time. It’s not simply a matter of not being polite or impolite. It’s a matter of being outright offensive. > [@](#): > > Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I can recall no such instances on your part. It’s actually pretty rare when I take anyone to task for rudeness, whether they are Conservative, Liberal, Christian, Atheist, whatever, so it’s no surprise to me if you can’t recall any such instances. There probably haven’t been any major instances I’ve initiated or participated in. > [@](#): > > So then he’s not really entitled to those opinions in your view, right? Don’t try to twist what I’m writing. If he’s going to have an extreme opinion, he’s certainly entitled to that, but he’d better expect to be called or questioned on it. > [@](#): > > If you can back it up, absolutely. Nope, that’s called a generalization. There are a lot of black criminals, so that must mean black people are bad, right? Just as there are a lot of extreme right-wingers who lie to push their agenda, so that must mean the right wing is bad, right? I’m asking you, does it then mean that because extreme left-wingers engage in the same tactics as the extreme right, then the left wing is bad? The answer to all of these is no, and statements such as these are generalizations and logical fallacies. This is the kind of ‘logic’ Elvis uses in his debates/arguments. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/31 "2002-03-18T22:29:53Z")
Add finding an unwarranted "All conservatives are \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ " statement to your list of things to demonstrate as issuing from the keyboard of **ElvisL1ves**. And I must say, I really look forward to your proof of these allegations, though I fear you may attract PETA protestors for the strain your searches will put on the SDMB hamster. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/32 "2002-03-18T23:06:55Z")
IOW, _cite_? 🙂 **Monster104** et al., you’ve had multiple requests and ample opportunity to present facts to support the OP. You have failed to do so, and frankly you look ever more childish with every such post that resorts to invective instead. If you don’t like me personally, that’s your right. Continually and loudly expressing that dislike without using examples simply makes you look like a jackass. But I suspect that what you’re really upset about is having been demonstrated to be a fool, who’ll believe any lie told by sources whose politics he happens to admire. Incidentally, I’m a moderate, not a “liberal”. In current American usage, “moderate” generally means “social liberal, fiscal conservative”, but to the knee-jerk right, anyone who isn’t a conservative is a dam’ liberal, so I’ll accept the name in the sake of getting Monster and Neurotik to understand. ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/33 "2002-03-18T23:39:04Z")
Minty, did you not read “There is a full-time cottage industry dedicated to cleaning up partisan lies from the right wing, because, let’s face it, they make a full-time job required”, written by Elvis? He’s accusing the right wing, (in other words “republicans”) of lying constantly and doing so purposely, while it is individuals mostly on the _extreme_ right doing what he accuses. This is just a slight example of how he smears republicans. > [@](#): > > Monster104 et al., you’ve had multiple requests and ample opportunity to present facts to support the OP. You have failed to do so, and frankly you look ever more childish with every such post that resorts to invective instead Sorry if I’m not patient enough to wait 10-15 minutes for incomplete searches. I have a lot of stuff to do, and searching thread after thread (especially when I’m not getting results for all the threads I’m searching for) in search of quotes out of hundreds of your posts is not exactly high on my priority list. You can make all the noise you want about me not digging up cites, but frankly, it’s not all that important to me, and I’ll get around to doing it when I don’t have something more important to do. > [@](#): > > If you don’t like me personally, that’s your right. Continually and loudly expressing that dislike without using examples simply makes you look like a jackass. But I suspect that what you’re really upset about is having been demonstrated to be a fool, who’ll believe any lie told by sources whose politics he happens to admire. :rolleyes: Tell me, if I’m such a fool believing lies, which lies would these be? And do you have any clue what political leanings I have overall? Does the quote “but to the knee-jerk right, anyone who isn’t a conservative is a dam’ liberal, so I’ll accept the name in the sake of getting Monster and Neurotik to understand” mean you think I’m “knee-jerk right”? ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2002, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/34 "2002-03-18T23:50:33Z")
Minty, have you even read the OP of this thread? All you’re asking for is right there. Elvis accused Neurotik of doing something he didn’t do. He has yet to provide any evidence of Neurotik launcing sneers against Clinton. Ergo, I stand by my point… Elvis is a distributor of non-truths. But I never knew Minty volunteered to be his little lap-dog… ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2002, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/35 "2002-03-19T00:43:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monster104 \* > Minty, did you not read “There is a full-time cottage industry dedicated to cleaning up partisan lies from the right wing, because, let’s face it, they make a full-time job required”, written by Elvis? Except I see that as a perfectly accurate statement, exactly as true as the fact that there is a full-time cottage industry dedicated to cleaning up liberal lies. Neither side has a monopoly on honesty, and calling one side or ther other on it is not the equivalent of calling every member of that side a lying sonofabitch. If that’s what you get out of that statement, methinks you’re looking for a personal offense where none was likely intended. **SPOOFE:** Yip, yip! Er, I mean, what the hell are you talking about? Of course I read the OP. I also read the original thread and the responses here, which make it perfectly clear that **Elvis** thoroughly and factually rebutted a factual assertion made by **december** by way of Paul Harvey. Was it 100% polite? Hell no. But the rebuttal was 100% accurate, plus it contained even further information to demonstrate how and why Paul Harney had his head stuck up the Rev. Moon’s ass. Moreover, though **Elvis** ’s post was not perfectly tactful, it was a direct response to **Neurotik** ’s assertion that **Tejota** and, by implication **Elvis** , hadn’t bothered to read what **december** said in the first place. **Neurotik** even topped it off by (sneeringly, IMHO) calling the purported misunderstanding “Quality work.” Considering that **Elvis** appears to have known even better than **december** what that half-remembered Paul Harvey thing was all about, I think he was more than entitled to be a little snippy in response to **Neurotik** ’s charges. But please, people, can we have a little perspective here? It’s not like he accused Republicans of drinking the blood of children and molesting pigs. The OP was a huge over-overreaction, and the content-free pile-on (all three posters of it) was just sad. Move along, nothing to see here. Except, of course, for **Monster** ’s big expose when the search function is operational again. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2002, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/36 "2002-03-19T02:56:18Z")
whoa, this is a total fuckdown, yo. At least Elvis isn’t singing his “Gore shunna won” song. 😉 “Shunna, wunna, cunna.”~ Principle Skinner > [@](#): > > _Quoth wring_ > december, as he often does, posts some 'I remember/I heard/I read some ‘insert commentator here’ claimed ‘insert bullshit accusation here’ gig, and got called on it. (I typically won’t try and guess what he’s talking about but ask him for a cite pronto) 😃_This_ is why you rock. ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2002, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/37 "2002-03-19T08:35:29Z")
Well, [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=104200) is somewhat an example of how Elvis tries to portray the right as bad and left as good. Not the best example, I admit, as he doesn’t exactly say it outright in there, but it seems to me that he is heavily implying it. ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2002, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/38 "2002-03-19T09:00:41Z")
And in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=103742) thread, [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=103479) thread are two small examples of how Elvis does what he can to bash Bush (especially the Stevie Wonder thing). ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2002, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/39 "2002-03-19T09:02:26Z")
Dammit. Note to self: don’t use vb coding when tired. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2002, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644/40 "2002-03-19T12:43:48Z")
The first one is a Pit thread where he accuses Republican leadership of being assholes for continually re-electing Trent Lott as their Senate leader. The second one is another one of those "What if . . . " hypotheticals in which Elvis accuses Bush (quite rightly, and just as any number of posters and pundits have done) of “nuclear saber rattling.” Where’s the slander? Oh, I see, your point is that Elvis shouldn’t bash Bush. Whatever. And for the record, I note that it was **Monster104** and **SPOOFE** who jumped into that thread with content-free slams on **Elvis** for his post that had directly addressed the hypothetical in the OP. Way to take the high road in GD, gentlemen! The third is another Pit thread in which **Elvis** did nothing more than provide a link to the Washington Post in which it was asserted that Bush waved to Stevie Wonder. Once again, **Monster** immediately jumped in to disparage **Elvis** for having dared to question the president. **Elvis** , I’m beginning to think you have a stalker on your hands. I would suggest a restraining order requiring him to stay at least ten posts away from you at all times. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-jackass-known-as-elvisl1ves-please-report-to-this-thread/98644.md?page=3)