# Will the latest Bundy clan actions bedevil the GOP candidates? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 4, 2016, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116 "2016-01-04T01:09:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/81 "2016-01-08T05:06:27Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You really should stop voting for such varlets. Give me an alternative, rather than doubling down. > [@](#): > > A group of men trying to change laws by breaking in somewhere and using weapons to try to intimidate the government into non-action \*is \*mayhem. Do you think the PResident is intimidated? ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/82 "2016-01-08T05:08:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Terrorists terrorize civilians. Anti-government militants are not terrorists. You’re muddling the meaning of the word for political purposes. Got a reference for that particular definition? Or is that just an adaher specific definition? As a citizen, volunteer, and visitor at national and state parks I certainly would be terrorized by armed anti-government militants at a park I was visiting volunteering at or wished to visit. And before you say, but, but the park is closed…my husband and I were asked to continue volunteering at a national park during the last government shut-down even though the park was closed. In addition, even though a visitor center is closed, that doesn’t necessarily mean the park is closed. > [@](#): > > In November 2004, a Secretary-General of the United Nations report described terrorism as any act “intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act” In other news: You are muddling the meaning of words for political purposes, addie. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/83 "2016-01-08T05:15:44Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Give me an alternative, rather than doubling down. I suspect it wouldn’t make a difference. > [@](#): > > Do you think the PResident is intimidated? If you pull a gun on me and I’m not intimidated, have you committed no crime? These men are the victims of RW media misinformation. They think the world and country are in imminent turmoil. In other words, they’re gullible idiots. Not being afraid of gullible idiots doesn’t mean they should be allowed to run amok. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/84 "2016-01-08T05:16:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Do you think the PResident is intimidated? It doesn’t really matter if anyone _is_ intimidated; the fact is that they are trying to intimidate. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/85 "2016-01-08T05:22:32Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > In other news: You are muddling the meaning of words for political purposes, addie. > [@](#): > > [Intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants Your reading comprehension needs work.🆒 ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/86 "2016-01-08T05:38:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Your reading comprehension needs work.🆒 Your attention span needs work, you didn’t even read the entire quote: > [@](#): > > “intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act” Or are you defining federal agents of your own country as military combatants. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/87 "2016-01-08T05:43:36Z")
Are they killing any civilian officials? There aren’t even officials there to kill. They made sure of that in order to AVOID bloodshed. No one is there but them and the media. There’s no threat against anyone. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/88 "2016-01-08T05:54:02Z")
Adaher said: “They are armed and know how to use their weapons. Unless we’re willing to destroy the building, or they don’t have the stomach for an armed confrontation and are just talking big, there’s no way there won’t be law enforcement casualties.” Adaher said: “There’s no threat against anyone.” Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/89 "2016-01-08T06:19:30Z")
There’s no threat if the feds continue to play it smart and ignore them. It’s their property. As the owners they can choose whether they care enough about it to confront the trespassers. If they just ignore them, they’ll leave eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/90 "2016-01-08T06:40:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There’s no threat if the feds continue to play it smart and ignore them. It’s their property. As the owners they can choose whether they care enough about it to confront the trespassers. If they just ignore them, they’ll leave eventually. I thought conservatives were about the rule of law? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/91 "2016-01-08T06:46:10Z")
That’s only for minorities and hippies. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/92 "2016-01-08T07:06:00Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I thought conservatives were about the rule of law? Yep, and if we were in charge many of them would be dead now. I thought liberals were for diplomacy before force? From all accounts I’ve seen, the feds are working towards a peaceful end to the occupation of the building. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/93 "2016-01-08T07:31:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Are they killing any civilian officials? There aren’t even officials there to kill. They made sure of that in order to AVOID bloodshed. > > No one is there but them and the media. There’s no threat against anyone. They claim that they will attack anyone who tries to make them leave. The people who try to make them leave would be civilians, unless the military is called in–which would only happen if they are considered to be dangerous to civilians. If there were no threats of violence, this would already be over. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/94 "2016-01-08T07:45:02Z")
Yes, because then the feds could just go ahead and use violence. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/95 "2016-01-08T12:03:52Z")
So, really, if you look at it the right way, the _threat_ of violence on their part is what is _preventing_ violence! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/96 "2016-01-08T12:50:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, really, if you look at it the right way, the _threat_ of violence on their part is what is _preventing_ violence! To think all those bank robbers who never pulled the trigger languishing in prison. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/97 "2016-01-08T14:29:36Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > If they were black it would be a no brainer that they must be eliminated. By drone if necessary. Do the feds have a history of eliminating groups of blacks by drone or otherwise? David Koresh and Co. were mainly, if not entirely, white. Randy Weaver and his people up on Ruby Ridge were white. The situation at Wounded Knee ended with a negotiated settlement, not the American Indians being eliminated. Every time this “if they were black” thing is brought up WRT these delusional hillbillies, I wonder if the person posting it thinks the Ferguson PD is in charge of the situation. The feds do not have a history of preferentially shooting black people. They do have a long history, going all the way back to attempting to apprehend John Dillinger at least, of getting lots of their own agents and innocent people killed when they try to get all SWATty. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/98 "2016-01-08T16:04:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There’s no threat if the feds continue to play it smart and ignore them. It’s their property. As the owners they can choose whether they care enough about it to confront the trespassers. If they just ignore them, they’ll leave eventually. Imagine how much safer the police would be if they simply _stopped enforcing the law_! ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/99 "2016-01-08T17:52:04Z")
Of course, being federal public lands, “their” property is also “our” property. They are supposed to manage and protect it, in trust for all Americans including future generations. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116/100 "2016-01-08T17:53:59Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Do the feds have a history of eliminating groups of blacks by drone or otherwise? > > David Koresh and Co. were mainly, if not entirely, white. > Randy Weaver and his people up on Ruby Ridge were white. > The situation at Wounded Knee ended with a negotiated settlement, not the American Indians being eliminated. > > Every time this “if they were black” thing is brought up WRT these delusional hillbillies, I wonder if the person posting it thinks the Ferguson PD is in charge of the situation. The feds do not have a history of preferentially shooting black people. They do have a long history, going all the way back to attempting to apprehend John Dillinger at least, of getting lots of their own agents and innocent people killed when they try to get all SWATty. The black panthers were black, tamir rice was black, Move was black. We haven’t seen a perfectly exact analogue of this by black people, maybe because it is a thoroughly ridiculous thing to do. They have more sense. This will go down as one of the greatest sources of internet memes and ridicule of all time. You need some more comedians and a little more self awareness on the right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-latest-bundy-clan-actions-bedevil-the-gop-candidates/742116.md?page=6)