# Will the real Shit Stainy please stand up? Phelps to "preach" at VTech shootings **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 18, 2007, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571 "2007-04-18T03:06:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/61 "2007-04-20T02:06:14Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] Sometimes the Klan Phelps states they’ll be at X funeral to protest and doesn’t show up. They’ve done that a good bit with military funerals (perhaps due to the pretty high correlation between military families and gunowners). I keep thinking that one day they’re going to picket a funeral only to find they “broke into the [wrong goddamned rec room](http://www.lovefilm.com/lovefilm/images/products/0/3130-large.jpg)”, which I certainly wouldn’t approve of cause that would be wrong, but I’d damned sure contribute money to the defense fund. [/QUOTE] Is that a link to what you meant it to be a link to? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/62 "2007-04-20T03:11:54Z")
Yep. The line is uttered just before a gun-happy survivalist couple unload massive damage into a graboid. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/63 "2007-04-20T03:59:57Z")
Thanks. The older you get, the harder it is to keep up with the cultural references. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/64 "2007-04-20T04:06:30Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] Same here. Why not do like those of us who grew up in Virginia called it most of our lives? It’s been VPI as long as I can remember. [/QUOTE] I’ve always called it Tech (or VTech to distinguish it from GA Tech when necessary, since they’re both popular options at my high school, at least for consideration). ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/65 "2007-04-20T06:04:47Z")
[Here’s a very interesting](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O228AQRvcqQ) clip from a documentary by Louis Theroux (son of Paul and host of _Weird Weekends_) from a BBC documentary. It’s the most objective Phelps interview you’ll find- not the usual screaming. In a way I feel sorry for Shirley Phelps Roper- I can’t imagine what hell her life has been (well, actually I can, which makes it worse). You see inside the Phelps compound as well, but most disturbing is the kids. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/66 "2007-04-20T06:10:16Z")
There are other clips from the above episode as well, starting [here](http://youtube.com/watch?v=2QRyr3_nCF4). ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/67 "2007-04-20T06:48:44Z")
One last statement on Louis Theroux’s documentary: if you’re really interested in the Phelps clan, watch it. The entire thing is about an hour, but it’s not the usual “look at the freaks and scream at them so you can say you’re a good person” shit that the Phelps clan usually gets. They’re charming and gracious to him (up to a point), they’re bright (Fred himself was a child prodigy), and they’re not monsters. They’re just a thoroughly brainwashed cult who FEED AND NEED hatred directed at them. The kids (from preschoolers to teenagers) I feel such compassion for, and even Shirley I think could ultimately be reached, but not with condescension and outrage (which she craves- she’s a very fucked up woman who’s been abused her entire life [her father and her husband have freely admitted to being wifebeaters] and her masochism is tied up in a religious worldview where persecution equals reinforcement of being right with God). Now this isn’t saying that I’d cry if a bomb went off in their compound, but it shows that they’re not the whitetrash loudmouthed hillbilly ignoramuses they’re often portrayed as. They’re a bonafide brainwashed cult of, strangely enough, very intelligent members. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/68 "2007-04-20T07:05:48Z")
According to their website they are supposed to picket at Ryan Clark’s memorial service this Saturday, though I wonder if they will really show. I’ve been telling friends that I think the best reaction would just be to smile and wave because then they don’t get what they want. They want people to mob them and attack then and scream and cuss at them. But I can understand how grieving people can be overcome by emotion in the moment, and if they are there I’m not really sure how I’ll react. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/69 "2007-04-20T18:34:55Z")
I think Fred Phelps is the one person on this earth that we Dopers can agree on. He’s a hate-filled self-denying homosexual, and I’m thankful there are enough people out there who can shield mourners from his trollery. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/70 "2007-04-20T19:05:03Z")
One more try, in case I missed it, but anyone specifically know anything about Phelps and his website? Before I try to figure it out for myself, it would help to have a general idea of what I’m looking for. Poking around there once (like 10 years ago), is more than enough dilly-dallying for me. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/71 "2007-04-20T19:27:34Z")
[QUOTE=faithfool] One more try, in case I missed it, but anyone specifically know anything about Phelps and his website? Before I try to figure it out for myself, it would help to have a general idea of what I’m looking for. Poking around there once (like 10 years ago), is more than enough dilly-dallying for me. [/QUOTE] There are several of them. [Godhatesfags.com](http://Godhatesfags.com) is dedicated to…well how much God hates fags. He explains there that sodomy and any form of sex that is not (as he puts it) One man,one woman,one lifetime should be a capital crime and the death penalty should be enforced. Then there is [Godhatesamerica.com](http://Godhatesamerica.com) where he talks about how much God hates america because it’s run by and full of fags and other deviants. I’m probably missing a couple, but that is the jist. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/72 "2007-04-20T19:33:47Z")
Thank you **Antinor**. I unfortunately am decently enough aware in general, what I was looking for in particular is what I asked above in post #42. Sorry for being unclear. I usually don’t un-muddle until it get’s dark. Appreciate your help and time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/73 "2007-04-20T20:15:20Z")
I googled Phelps protest schedule and it came up with this page. Should have what you’re looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/74 "2007-04-20T20:18:36Z")
We have nutcases who kill and we have the Phelps clan, why can’t we somehow put the two together? I’m surprised that somebody hasn’t open fire on them already. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/75 "2007-04-20T20:26:17Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] We have nutcases who kill and we have the Phelps clan, why can’t we somehow put the two together? I’m surprised that somebody hasn’t open fire on them already. [/QUOTE] This is unwise to put into print, here or elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/76 "2007-04-20T20:28:04Z")
[QUOTE=Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor] This is unwise to put into print, here or elsewhere. [/QUOTE] I think wishing harm on the Phelps has been officially allowed. And I _am_ surprised that nobody’s shot at them- it’s a mystery considering the people and places they protest in the open. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/77 "2007-04-20T21:35:42Z")
[QUOTE=Antinor01] I googled Phelps protest schedule and it came up with this page. Should have what you’re looking for. [/QUOTE] That is indeed _exactly_ what I was looking for! For some reason, searching for either schedule or picket never crossed my mind. Duh me. Thank you sooooooo much!! ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/78 "2007-04-20T22:09:49Z")
Weird, I was _just_ thinking thirty minutes ago when I was driving back to the office “I wonder why we haven’t heard anything out of Fred Phelps about the shootings yet?” He’s nothing if not predictable. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/79 "2007-04-20T22:48:04Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Not to interrupt the use of Phelps as a pinata, but I’m mildly curious: What’s his beef in the VTech case? (Aside: I can’t use “VT” because every time I read it I think, “Vermont”.) Usually he tries to make the loss or tradegy about teh gays, but here, according to the OP, God’s wrath was because “On April 16, 2007, this nation, through the offices of your military and conspirators therewith took a shot at the servants of God” – the “servants of God” being him and his, I assume. Did some police officer look at him sideways on the 17th or something? Does anyone know what he’s talking about? [/QUOTE] Well, looking at his picket schedule, I see that on April 21st, he’s picketing the funeral of one of the people killed at Virginia Tech, and he explains that: > [@](#): > > He was the first “victim” - read, the first on God’s List to be dispatched into Hell - at Virginia Tech, and he is one of the many children God is killing EVERY DAY. You can’t read a newspaper or turn on the T.V. where God isn’t dashing your children to pieces by I.E.D.'s or being killed in another fashion. This is part of your punishment for your Sodomite sins and for persecuting Westboro Baptist Church for warning America of her fast-approaching DOOM. He have preached to you, rising up early and when you needed it the most, but you have mocked us, shot at us, bombed and raided our Church, done violence to our people and have thereby brought the condign Wrath of God upon your heads. America is Doomed. So, yeah, it’s the sodomites again. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2007, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571/80 "2007-04-20T22:49:22Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Amazing] So, yeah, it’s the sodomites again. [/QUOTE] Sorry all. I didn’t know that fucking other guys all these years would make such things happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-real-shit-stainy-please-stand-up-phelps-to-preach-at-vtech-shootings/400571.md?page=5)