# Will The Republicans ever figure out why they lost? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 26, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224 "2012-12-26T21:33:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/61 "2012-12-27T21:48:46Z")
You have the advantage of me, I only know one thing about you, and am not inclined to know more. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/62 "2012-12-27T21:52:30Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > I know exactly why they lost and exactly how they can win…I find it amazing that no one else seems able to. If you haven’t found a plausible theory through Google by now, you never will. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/63 "2012-12-27T21:54:49Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > If you haven’t found a plausible theory through Google by now, you never will. I will mark you down as one who just likes to see his name in print. I know whats what…that is the simple truth. I will reveal it very soon. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/64 "2012-12-27T21:55:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You have the advantage of me, I only know one thing about you, and am not inclined to know more. Well…begone. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/65 "2012-12-27T21:58:01Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > In truth the Republicans did not need the mexicans, did not need the single women, did not need the sexual deviants, did not need the negroes…but you are partially right …about the rich…but a little more to it…i will get to it eventually. Let’s see… Dismissing minorities, condescension, promising us the details of his brilliant insight Real Soon Now[sup]TM[/sup]; I think **Jack** really does know why the Republicans lost. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/66 "2012-12-27T21:58:43Z")
otherwise someone would know what I am talkiing about…so far only one poster has even come close to citing the the truth of the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/67 "2012-12-27T21:59:01Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > His system isn’t like a poll. He gives odds. And I don’t think Obama was “always ahead” in the state polls unless you ignored the margins of error. Not sure what you mean, but Silver always had Obama winning. He had Obama ahead in electoral votes at every moment, usually by margins close to the actual numbers, and they are the only things that count. So did RealClearPolitics. Romney was never ahead thre at any time by an agglomeration of state polling results. Even Karl Rove’s site said this. The polls as a group, when averaged together, were consistent and right from the very beginning to the end. Again, I referenced them repeatedly for 18 months so there shouldn’t be any doubt about this. Obama was known to be the winner before any of the primaries. The only people who said otherwise were the delusional and those who had an investment in the horse race scenario. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/68 "2012-12-27T22:01:32Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Let’s see… Dismissing minorities, condescension, promising us the details of his brilliant insight Real Soon Now[sup]TM[/sup]; I think **Jack** really does know why the Republicans lost. heh heh I know alright…but no genius required…just some ability to analyze the statistics of the election accurately…the reason most cannot do this is not that they are dumb…they are just too indoctrinated into a particuarly fallacious mindset. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/69 "2012-12-27T22:04:42Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > I will mark you down as one who just likes to see his name in print. > > I know whats what…that is the simple truth. > > I will reveal it very soon. > [@SmilinJack](#): > > otherwise someone would know what I am talkiing about…so far only one poster has even come close to citing the the truth of the matter. You’re new here, so even though you should have already been able to figure this out, I’ll be blunt: people here _hate_ this kind of crap. Spit it out already. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/70 "2012-12-27T22:09:10Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > heh heh I know alright. I’m sure you do, just like Romney’s tax plan would have paved the way to prosperity. Oh, what could have been, if only he hadn’t had to withhold the details from our feeble little minds. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/71 "2012-12-27T22:13:42Z")
Oh, shit! Romney’s gay? Is that it? ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/72 "2012-12-27T22:18:23Z")
Whilst I wait for more results let me explain something that a poster brought up…regarding my use of the term ‘mexican’. The simple truth is there is no such thing as a hispanic…that is just a pc term the liberals adopted because for some reason they consider ‘mexican’ a bad woid. Now Straight Ahead for the Straight Dope The term “Hispanic” as a contrived governmental pc label with no validity that has taken root worldwide. I tell anyone who will listen that there is no such thing as a Hispanic or Hispanic culture. Further, there are 21 individual countries around the world that speak Spanish with, in most cases, the Spanish language being the only thing they have in common. Unfortunately, this false term has now become synonymous with being in favor of or supporting illegal immigration. It is my contention that both the term and premise are wrong. Futhamoe… for every illegal working in a vegetable market or construction site, there is a wife and multiple children being supported by “we the taxpayers of this nation.” They use our schools, health facilities, social welfare resources, and infrastructure while contributing little or nothing to the public coffers. A good portion of their illegal income (illegal because they do not have the right to work here) is a large part of their native country’s gross national product. We know that countries like Mexico depend on these illegally obtained American dollars to bolster their failing economies and relieve political and social unrest. Further, I am against all of these celebrations and parades in honor of this false title and premise. There are, however, 44 countries that speak English. Using the very same criteria that is used to put all immigrants (legal and illegal), and the descendants of people who came from a Spanish speaking countries together as “Hispanic,” I’d like to see the descendants of these 44 English speaking countries bound together, as we are, under a term such as “Britannic.” Further, I would like to see them marching down Fifth Avenue in New York City celebrating “Britannic Culture,” “Britannic Music,” “Britannic food” . . . get the picture? I myself will accept the term Hispanic when all the English speaking people of the world start calling themselves “Britannic.” Who is responsible for propagating the notion that the United States of America is the only nation in the world that does not have the right to protect its borders or enforce its laws? The liberals of course. Further, this is the only nation in the world where someone can enter illegally then protest en masse demanding amnesty and rights. We who are patriots say the only rights that an illegal alien should have in United States are the rights to be detained and deported. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/73 "2012-12-27T22:20:16Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’re new here, so even though you should have already been able to figure this out, I’ll be blunt: people here _hate_ this kind of crap. Spit it out already. Believe me, this is preferable to his bleating about the White Working Class. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/74 "2012-12-27T22:23:26Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Believe me, this is preferable to his bleating about the White Working Class. Uh Oh! Someone is on to me…must be another refugee from the political forms following me around bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/75 "2012-12-27T22:24:57Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > Further, I am against all of these celebrations and parades in honor of this false title and premise. There are, however, 44 countries that speak English. Using the very same criteria that is used to put all immigrants (legal and illegal), and the descendants of people who came from a Spanish speaking countries together as “Hispanic,” I’d like to see the descendants of these 44 English speaking countries bound together, as we are, under a term such as “Britannic.” Further, I would like to see them marching down Fifth Avenue in New York City celebrating “Britannic Culture,” “Britannic Music,” “Britannic food” . . . get the picture? I myself will accept the term Hispanic when all the English speaking people of the world start calling themselves “Britannic.” Have you had Brittanic food? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/76 "2012-12-27T22:27:39Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > Uh Oh! Someone is on to me…must be another refugee from the political forms following me around bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa Hardly. A google search for smilinjack + “mexican vote” is not exactly rocket science. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/77 "2012-12-27T22:28:19Z")
> [@BrokenBriton](#): > > Notwithstanding the almighty hanging chads mess of 2000/01, they’ve lost 3 of 4 now. If you take an appropriately skeptical view of Florida and Ohio, the Republicans have lost every Presidential election since 1988. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/78 "2012-12-27T22:28:43Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > Unfortunately, this false term has now become synonymous with being in favor of or supporting illegal immigration. It is my contention that both the term and premise are wrong. Factually ludicrous. Morally indefensible. > [@](#): > > Who is responsible for propagating the notion that the United States of America is the only nation in the world that does not have the right to protect its borders or enforce its laws? The liberals of course. The evil liberals did not cause the Republicans to lose. The evil conservatives who believe in racial bigotry caused the Republicans to lose. They will continue to lose every Presidential election until this scurrilous belief is expunged from the thinking of the party. That’s just a prediction. But I’m really good at predictions. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/79 "2012-12-27T22:39:38Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Factually ludicrous. Morally indefensible. > > The evil liberals did not cause the Republicans to lose. The evil conservatives who believe in racial bigotry caused the Republicans to lose. They will continue to lose every Presidential election until this scurrilous belief is expunged from the thinking of the party. > > That’s just a prediction. But I’m really good at predictions. You predicted accurately but for the wrong reason…anyone who knows much about repubs…understands they are just as pc as the democrats…in fact very little difference between a repub and a donkey. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/80 "2012-12-27T22:40:46Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Hardly. A google search for smilinjack + “mexican vote” is not exactly rocket science. These damn computers…i long for the day when one could cross a state line and begin a new life. heh heh [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224.md?page=5)