# Will The Republicans ever figure out why they lost? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 26, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224 "2012-12-26T21:33:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/161 "2012-12-28T02:50:13Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I meant, if you want to be taken seriously or deserve to be taken seriously, don’t refer to it as the War Between the States. Only Cornfed-symps do that. “Great American Holocaust,” now, is a new one on me; I suppose you coined it? Those who know me …understand two things…I am a analytical thinker…and very original. BTW when i think this board is properly primed I will present my plan to make America Great Again…stay tuned. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/162 "2012-12-28T02:50:40Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > How long are you liberals willing to let obama keep passing the buck? As long as the Republicans make a public spectacle of their intransigence. I’m not making up or speculating about their unwillingness to compromise or their determination to make Obama a one term President at any cost; that was their publicly stated goal. And liberals as a rule are not at all fond of Obama. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/163 "2012-12-28T02:51:22Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, it couldn’t have. The South was unable to stand not being in charge. > > It was the fault of the South; and considering the evil it overthrew, it was worth it. You are just repeating what your middle school social studies instructor indoctrinated you with. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/164 "2012-12-28T02:52:42Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > Lincoln wanted to send the Negroes back to Africa. He did. He was a [colonizationist.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society) Like practically all whites of his day including most abolitionists, he believed in black racial inferiority, or, at any rate, that blacks were just too **different** from whites to share the same democratic society. OTOH, he believed blacks perfectly capable of republican self-government if they formed all-black colonies of their own, in Africa or the Caribbean or Latin America or somewhere. Only the most radical of the white abolitionists accepted that the blacks would be here permanently and should be treated as equals. (Black abolitionists like Frederick Douglass mostly **began** from that assumption.) However, Lincoln abandoned the colonization idea towards the end of his term/life. General McClellan did a study and reported that, drafting all the Naval and merchant-marine resources of the U.S. for the purpose, it would be utterly impossible to deport the black population “one-half so fast as Negro children will be born here.” Lincoln came around to accept the radical-abolitionist idea described above, with some reservations (he really could not entirely escape his Southern roots in that regard). You can read the fascinating story in [_What Lincoln Believed,_](http://www.amazon.com/What-Lincoln-Believed-Convictions-President/dp/1400030730) by Michael Lind, which you in particular really ought to read anyway, 'twould be an eye-opener. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/165 "2012-12-28T02:52:43Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > Those who know me …understand two things…I am a analytical thinker…and very original. No, your opinions generic and you are a copy-paster. > [@SmilinJack](#): > > BTW when i think this board is properly primed I will present my plan to make America Great Again…stay tuned. Ah yes; let me guess, it’s all about The Greatness of White People. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/166 "2012-12-28T02:54:54Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > You are just repeating what your middle school social studies instructor indoctrinated you with. No, I’m paying attention to reality. You on the other hand are regurgitating white racist propaganda & historical revisionism. And by appearances, dancing around admitting that you are pro-slavery. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/167 "2012-12-28T02:55:08Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > Those who know me …understand two things…I am a analytical thinker…and very original. I’m afraid no one here knows you yet, then. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/168 "2012-12-28T02:55:37Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, it couldn’t have. The South was unable to stand not being in charge. > > It was the fault of the South; and considering the evil it overthrew, it was worth it. More liberal b.s. The peculiar institution down South was very humane for the most part…read the Slave Narratives and you might understand that. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/169 "2012-12-28T02:56:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I’m afraid no one here knows you yet, then. Not suprising…since I have just arrived on the disaster scene. What is the liberal…conservative ratio on here…? 99 to one? ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/170 "2012-12-28T02:59:36Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, I’m paying attention to reality. You on the other hand are regurgitating white racist propaganda & historical revisionism. And by appearances, dancing around admitting that you are pro-slavery. Slavery was legal for thousands of years…in fact not even the Holy Bible had anything bad to say about it…in fact the Holy Scriptures admonished servants to be loyal to their masters. Again read some of the slave narratives…most know very little about the reality of the Plantation System…watching hoolyweird movies and t.v. will not help you get to the truth of the matter…neither will a public school indoctrination. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/171 "2012-12-28T03:00:47Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > More liberal b.s. The peculiar institution down South was very humane for the most part… Garbage. It was monstrously brutal and evil. And “peculiar institution”? That’s positively archaic. Everyone who practiced slavery deserved death, to be killed on the spot. They were _hostis humani generis_; the enemies of mankind. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/172 "2012-12-28T03:01:50Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > Not suprising…since I have just arrived on the disaster scene. > > What is the liberal…conservative ratio on here…? 99 to one? Not nearly, but, this Board has its roots in the [_Straight Dope_](http://www.straightdope.com/) column by Cecil Adams, which runs mostly in free alternative weekly tabloids in urban areas. Do the math. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/173 "2012-12-28T03:03:17Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > Slavery was legal for thousands of years…in fact not even the Holy Bible had anything bad to say about it…in fact the Holy Scriptures admonished servants to be loyal to their masters. The Bible is a barbaric document written by barbarians; not a useful moral guide. And that is one of the reasons why. And plenty of evil things have been legal for thousands of years. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/174 "2012-12-28T03:03:52Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > Slavery was legal for thousands of years…in fact not even the Holy Bible had anything bad to say about it…in fact the Holy Scriptures admonished servants to be loyal to their masters. Dude, you’re not helping your case by citing the sort of thing that makes even Christians dislike the Bible somewhat. Most people nowadays would class that in with the bits about stoning adulterers, exterminating the Midianites at God’s command (now **there** was a Holocaust!), etc. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/175 "2012-12-28T03:04:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > He did. He was a [colonizationist.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society) Like practically all whites of his day including most abolitionists, he believed in black racial inferiority, or, at any rate, that blacks were just too **different** from whites to share the same democratic society. OTOH, he believed blacks perfectly capable of republican self-government if they formed all-black colonies of their own, in Africa or the Caribbean or Latin America or somewhere. Only the most radical of the white abolitionists accepted that the blacks would be here permanently and should be treated as equals. (Black abolitionists like Frederick Douglass mostly **began** from that assumption.) > > However, Lincoln abandoned the colonization idea towards the end of his term/life. General McClellan did a study and reported that, drafting all the Naval and merchant-marine resources of the U.S. for the purpose, it would be utterly impossible to deport the black population “one-half so fast as Negro children will be born here.” Lincoln came around to accept the radical-abolitionist idea described above, with some reservations (he really could not entirely escape his Southern roots in that regard). You can read the fascinating story in [_What Lincoln Believed,_](http://www.amazon.com/What-Lincoln-Believed-Convictions-President/dp/1400030730) by Michael Lind, which you in particular really ought to read anyway, 'twould be an eye-opener. Lincoln and Colonization Revisited Feb25 by Brooks D. Simpson ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/176 "2012-12-28T03:06:15Z")
Ah, nothing says “good debate skills” like massive copy-and-paste. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/177 "2012-12-28T03:07:14Z")
> [@SmilinJack](#): > > More liberal b.s. The peculiar institution down South was very humane for the most part…read the Slave Narratives and you might understand that. 😕 Most [slave narratives](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_narratives) tell a very different story. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/178 "2012-12-28T03:09:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Ah, nothing says “good debate skills” like massive copy-and-paste. When all is said and done…opinions are like assholes…everyone has one. But a scholarly and expert opinion is not to be overlooked…except by the foolish. ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/179 "2012-12-28T03:12:54Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Dude, you’re not helping your case by citing the sort of thing that makes even Christians dislike the Bible somewhat. Most people nowadays would class that in with the bits about stoning adulterers, exterminating the Midianites at God’s command (now **there** was a Holocaust!), etc. If slavery was the great moral outrage most liberals believe…then one would think The Holy Scriptures would have made some reference to that. Case Closed. BTW Slavery is still practiced in Africa, China and in some places in the muslim world. Also…the position in our society of the illegal workers is not that far removed from slavery…in fact someone would call it just a different form of slavery— ---
**Author:** ![SmilinJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@SmilinJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmilinJack)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224/180 "2012-12-28T03:14:10Z")
Also…Americans buy a lot of things made by slaves in China. One never hears liberals complain our use of illegal labor in America. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-republicans-ever-figure-out-why-they-lost/645224.md?page=10)