# Will the SCOYUS decision on gay marriage affect the Presidential election? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 27, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653 "2015-06-27T20:42:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/101 "2015-06-30T20:24:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The Democrats are too beholden to the teachers’ unions that stand in the way of reforms. Plus they favor more federal involvement in education. Common Core is also their baby and while that isn’t a huge national issue right now, it’s a big deal to parents putting up with it. Common Core is hardly the Democrats’ “baby.” It’s just the oppositions boogeyman. [Forty-three states](http://www.corestandards.org/standards-in-your-state/), many of which have Republican-dominated legislatures and Republican-controlled executives, have adopted Common Core standards. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/102 "2015-06-30T22:05:12Z")
It’s just their latest surrogate for bashing teachers, for the NEA’s sin of supporting Democrats. Eliminating the Department of Education has perhaps become too ridiculous even for them, but something that brings up the the dual fears of both Big Gubmint \*and \*book-larnin’ may win them some actual votes, in their estimation. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/103 "2015-07-01T00:05:29Z")
Heck, several of the GOP presidential candidates comfortably fall into the “For it before they were against it” category. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/104 "2015-07-01T05:13:13Z")
Certainly. But that’s a debate for another time. I was just pointing out that education issues often benefit Republicans because Republicans are the party of giving parents choices and imposing standards, whereas Democrats are the party of raise taxes and then let school districts just hire more administrators instead of actually improving education. Or at least that’s what we say about you, and often it works.🙂 If gays vote based on gay rights, we lose. If gays vote based on family issues, we win. Families vote Republican for various reasons. Single people vote Democrat, for various reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/105 "2015-07-01T07:53:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If gays vote based on gay rights, we lose. If gays vote based on family issues, we win. Families vote Republican for various reasons. Single people vote Democrat, for various reasons. When Republicans say they’re voting for family issues, they generally mean they’re voting against letting gay people have families. Don’t think gay people don’t notice that. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/106 "2015-07-01T10:04:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If gays vote based on gay rights, we lose. If gays vote based on family issues, we win. Republicans are in favor of “Traditional Family Values”, not families. You’ll not convince us to conflate these two very different things, no matter how hard you try, so you might as well give up now. “Traditional Family Values” are, in fact, corrosive to families, as they lead to increased rates of teenage pregnancy, increased rates of STDs, increased divorce rates, and people disowning family members for “choosing” to have certain inborn traits. Giving cites for these things would be insulting the intelligence of the average poster here. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/107 "2015-07-01T11:49:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If gays vote based on gay rights, we lose. If gays vote based on family issues, we win. Families vote Republican for various reasons. Single people vote Democrat, for various reasons. I see no reason to believe that Republican “family issues” (which include much anti-gay rhetoric) would be attractive to gay voters, whatever their domestic situation. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/108 "2015-07-01T12:18:08Z")
It’s possible that gays will become more conservative over the long term as more of them get married, but that’s certainly not going to change in time for the next election. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/109 "2015-07-01T12:50:14Z")
And it won’t change to the benefit of the Republicans at all as long as they’re in thrall to the Southern Strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/110 "2015-07-01T13:52:50Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Certainly. But that’s a debate for another time. I was just pointing out that education issues often benefit Republicans because Republicans are the party of giving parents choices and imposing standards, whereas Democrats are the party of raise taxes and then let school districts just hire more administrators instead of actually improving education. Or at least that’s what we say about you, and often it works.🙂 Republican ideas of educational reform—school privatization, transferring public funds to private schools, standardized testing, and punishing schools and teachers—are all scams that will destroy education, not reform it. > [@](#): > > If gays vote based on gay rights, we lose. If gays vote based on family issues, we win. Families vote Republican for various reasons. Single people vote Democrat, for various reasons. Truly pro-family issues are things that make it easier to raise a healthy family— ike single-payer universal health care, mandatory sick leave, mandatory vacation, mandatory family leave, 40-hour work week, on-site child care, mortgage relief, mixed-income housing mandates, public transportation, after-school programs, and benefits for the poor. So long as Replucans characterize these things as handouts for the undeserving, they aren’t “pro-family.” Fuck, they throw a shit-rant-rum when the First Lady tried to encourage better eating habits, which is possibly the most innocuous and benign thing that a public figure can do. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/111 "2015-07-01T13:57:59Z")
[Pollster Charlie Cook lays it out:](http://www.nationaljournal.com/off-to-the-races/a-momentous-week-and-a-gop-that-needs-to-change-20150629?utm_content=bufferad03c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer) > [@](#): > > In the aftermath of the tragic shooting in a Charleston, South Carolina church and the resulting focus on the Confederate flag, with the notable exception of Sen. Lindsay Graham of South Carolina and to a lesser extent, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the GOP contenders initially avoided taking a firm stand on the flag. That is fine with many in their base but not with moderate and/or independent swing voters, or for that matter, many Republicans. And the gay-marriage decision again put GOP presidential contenders in a position of choosing between their base and being on the wrong side of history—with all but a couple choosing the latter. > … > Simply put, Republicans are loaded up in a car, racing toward a generational cliff with their eyes focused on the rearview mirror, with many (but notably not all) oblivious to the societal changes taking place all around them and the growing wedge building between their comfort zone and presidential swing voters. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2015, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653/112 "2015-07-04T09:46:22Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Name one demographic group that votes the past rather than the present. > > \*\*Today gays can get married. Republicans have no interest in passing any anti-gay laws, or standing in the way of repealing old ones. > \*\* > So what does that leave? A lot of pretty well off people with double income, no kids, paying too much in taxes. Perhaps some acknowledgement that this bald assertion was demolished easily by actual cites demonstrating your error might be in order. (Bolding mine). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-scoyus-decision-on-gay-marriage-affect-the-presidential-election/723653.md?page=5)