# Will The UK Exit The EU in 2016? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 7, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414 "2016-01-07T13:44:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414/101 "2016-02-09T23:50:23Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > Research from Business for Britain published today takes a detailed statistical approach to the question of who makes Britain’s laws. On the one hand we had Nick Clegg claiming in his debate with Nigel Farage that only 7% of British laws were made in Brussels. On the other side Nigel Farage, quoting Viviane Reding, the former European Commissioner for Justice, claimed 75% of legislation originates from the EU. Turns out Nigel was far closer… > Today’s report‘s key findings: > • Between 1993 and 2014, 64.7% of UK law can be deemed to be EU-influenced. EU regulations accounted for 59.3%t of all UK law. UK laws implementing EU directives accounted for 5.4% of total laws in force in UK. > • This body of legislation driven by EU regulations consists of 49,699 exclusively ‘EU’ regulations, 4,532 UK measures which implement EU directives and 29,573 UK only laws. > Analysis of the EU’s influence on British law is continually hijacked for political purposes, leading to disputes over the true number: > > Nobody believes the 7% figure Nick Clegg advanced in his disastrous debate with Nigel Farage. Europhiles like to cite the various House of Commons Library which put the percentage in the mid-teens, however EU regulations are transposed into national law without passing through Parliament. Hence they do not appear in studies by the House of Commons Library which most recently estimated the proportion of EU legislation at just 13.3%. If most of our laws and regulations are being made abroad without reference to parliament, do we really need full-time MPs in Westminster? But this is still all misleading. If you read the House of Commons Library note, it highlights that much EU ‘legislation’ is what it calls ‘soft law’, that is, areas where the EU has collectively agreed broad principles, objectives, timescales and issues, but left everything else to the Member States. And you have misunderstood Transpositions. Transposed Directives can only in fact be enacted through domestic legislation. In the UK, they tend to be statutory instruments, and the House of Lords in particular is pretty good at spotting them and scrutinising them. And I’m surprised that you claim the Commons Library doesn’t count them - it goes into considerable detail on them in the note I linked to. Did you read it? ---
**Author:** ![Dahu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dahu/32/3416_2.png) [@Dahu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dahu)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414/102 "2016-02-10T19:31:26Z")
A huge concern for many people I know is immigration. Not Syrians, but immigration from the EU. We are one of the most densely populated countries in the world and you can feel it. The cities are crowded, the roads packed, the hospitals full. UK minimum wage is going up to £9 per hour over the next 4 years which will put it over 7 times higher than the poorest countries. It’s not going to stop any time soon and there’s nothing we can do about it, other than vote ‘out’. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414/103 "2016-02-11T01:15:57Z")
> [@Dahu](#): > > A huge concern for many people I know is immigration. Not Syrians, but immigration from the EU. We are one of the most densely populated countries in the world and you can feel it. The cities are crowded, the roads packed, the hospitals full. UK minimum wage is going up to £9 per hour over the next 4 years which will put it over 7 times higher than the poorest countries. It’s not going to stop any time soon and there’s nothing we can do about it, other than vote ‘out’. And that is the truth ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414/104 "2016-02-11T13:43:49Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That’s [true](http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/) of cross-Mediterrenean arrivals as a whole, but not Syrians. Very instructive. So, the actual Syrian refugees are largely women & children, like you’d expect. It’s just that the majority of the recent wave of “refugees” aren’t Syrian. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414/105 "2016-02-11T14:03:40Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Very instructive. So, the actual Syrian refugees are largely women & children, like you’d expect. It’s just that the majority of the recent wave of “refugees” aren’t Syrian. This is why the UK government is taking Syrian refugees from the camps on the Syrian boarder that have had their refugee status checked. Some are saying that we should take more but the U.K. has to take in migrants from the EU. When we have regained control of our borders the hope will be to give priority to genuine refugee’s ---
**Author:** ![nicky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@nicky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nicky)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414/106 "2016-02-11T19:42:49Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > And that is the truth Good. Higher wages means more tax revenue and dense populations are more efficient to service. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414/107 "2016-02-11T20:16:40Z")
> [@nicky](#): > > Good. Higher wages means more tax revenue and dense populations are more efficient to service. New technology is reducing the need for workers, as more jobs become automated there is already warnings that unless the population is reduced we will have to except long term unemployment as a way of life. we are only talking 50 years so children born today (your children or your grand children) will have to contemplate not having full employment. With a smaller workforce the government will have to except less revenue or raise taxes to cover welfare payments. With a shortage of jobs and a surplice of workers you can expect wages will be lower as people will have to compete for work. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414/108 "2016-02-11T21:04:26Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > New technology is reducing the need for workers, as more jobs become automated there is already warnings that unless the population is reduced we will have to except long term unemployment as a way of life. we are only talking 50 years so children born today (your children or your grand children) will have to contemplate not having full employment. With a smaller workforce the government will have to except less revenue or raise taxes to cover welfare payments. With a shortage of jobs and a surplice of workers you can expect wages will be lower as people will have to compete for work. Europe already has ~10% unemployment (compared to 5% in the US) and it’s well known that young people often have a lot of trouble finding jobs. Economic trends suggest this will continue to get worse, not better. With the rise of internet shopping, even bottom-rung WalMart-type jobs will be less available in the future. Another thing to consider: the long-term unemployed will almost inevitably become an “underclass” consigned to a lifetime of poverty. The government will (hopefully) make sure they don’t starve, but they won’t have enough money for anything more than basic survival. That will lead to a host of societal problems, like increased crime, and increases in alcohol & drug abuse (Because you have no job and no prospects for getting a job. So what _are_ you going to do today?) ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414/109 "2016-02-11T22:31:05Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Europe already has ~10% unemployment (compared to 5% in the US) and it’s well known that young people often have a lot of trouble finding jobs. Economic trends suggest this will continue to get worse, not better. With the rise of internet shopping, even bottom-rung WalMart-type jobs will be less available in the future. > > Another thing to consider: the long-term unemployed will almost inevitably become an “underclass” consigned to a lifetime of poverty. The government will (hopefully) make sure they don’t starve, but they won’t have enough money for anything more than basic survival. That will lead to a host of societal problems, like increased crime, and increases in alcohol & drug abuse (Because you have no job and no prospects for getting a job. So what _are_ you going to do today?) This is why we must leave the EU as it is the only way that we can gain control of our borders. I do not want to see a ridged cap on numbers allowed into the UK I would rather see a limit linked to job vacancies giving genuine refugee’s priority with visa’s issued before they start to travel. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2016, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414/110 "2016-02-15T10:19:34Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Europe already has ~10% unemployment (compared to 5% in the US) and it’s well known that young people often have a lot of trouble finding jobs. Economic trends suggest this will continue to get worse, not better. With the rise of internet shopping, even bottom-rung WalMart-type jobs will be less available in the future. > > Another thing to consider: the long-term unemployed will almost inevitably become an “underclass” consigned to a lifetime of poverty. The government will (hopefully) make sure they don’t starve, but they won’t have enough money for anything more than basic survival. That will lead to a host of societal problems, like increased crime, and increases in alcohol & drug abuse (Because you have no job and no prospects for getting a job. So what _are_ you going to do today?) Many of you have a problem with the DM, the meeting took place in America so it should be easy to check the facts Will a robot take YOUR job? Humanity facing ‘its greatest challenge ever’ as machines are set to make HALF the world unemployed in just 30 years Top scientist Moshe Vardi warned robots will take 50% jobs by 2050 The Houston professor’s bleak warning came at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) this week Last year Stephen Hawking made a similarly bleak prediction They both warned it marks humanity’s worst existential crisis of all time By Mia De Graaf For [Dailymail.com](http://Dailymail.com) and Press Association Published: 16:35, 13 February 2016 | Updated: 06:36, 15 February 2016 Read more: [Machines could make half of humans unemployed in 30 years | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3445626/Machines-make-half-humans-unemployed-30-years-scientist.html#ixzz40ELct2d8) Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-uk-exit-the-eu-in-2016/742414.md?page=5)