# Will there be any liberals left here after the conversion to paying site? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2004, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625 "2004-03-21T23:42:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mercury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@Mercury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mercury)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/61 "2004-03-22T14:19:34Z")
Will there be any liberals left here after the conversion to paying site? Yeah, at least one. ---
**Author:** ![SlyFrog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SlyFrog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlyFrog)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/62 "2004-03-22T14:49:58Z")
> [@Lynn Bodoni](#): > > Are you saying that this is a [joke](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=127729) thread? You see, it was a targetted thread, filled with hatred and vitriol to those who try to be working class heros of the common who cannot afford $4.95, but can apparently post about it endlessly with indignation and pride. Since then, it has transformed into a beautiful butterfly. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/63 "2004-03-22T14:55:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Awww, Crimea River. > > Let me trot out my favorite question when you guys start whining about how outnumbered you valiant defenders are, alas! How do you think it got that way, huh? Got a board devoted to rational discourse, evidence, debate, and by some mechanism that dare not speak its name, it turns into a liberal hell-hole. > > How? Conspiracy? Supterfuge? How did those dastardly liberals swarm all over the SDMB and Custer-ize you? When you are so _clearly_ the vast majority of real Scotsmen…Americans, real _Americans_. > > Unless, of course, the unthinkable is true. That the Conservative movement has a political impact far in excess of its actual numerical constituency. Think it might be money? Yeah, I think it might be money. Last time out, the numbers were damn near even (you will recall, I’m sure) and this time out, the Tighty Rightys have $200 million bucks and Kerry’s having bake sales. > > But, nah, that can’t be it, can it? Must be some liberal conspiracy to take over certain pivotal boards, Crafty devils, You do the martyr thing very well, **elucidator**. Too bad it doesn’t change the fact that this is a liberal board, for whatever reasons you’d like to surmise. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/64 "2004-03-22T15:04:34Z")
> [@Coldfire](#): > > Of course, only _liberal_ 16 year old girls would be such sluts. The conservative ones are at home on Friday night, knitting poodle sweaters. Oh, come on, now. Back when I was in that market (quite a few years ago, now), all the guys knew that something happened to girls who grew up in conservative (especially Catholic) families when they went away to college. For that reason, they were highly desirable dates… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/65 "2004-03-22T19:10:14Z")
What a stupid fucking OP. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/66 "2004-03-22T19:14:18Z")
> [@SlyFrog](#): > > You see, it was a targetted thread, filled with hatred and vitriol to those who try to be working class heros of the common who cannot afford $4.95, but can apparently post about it endlessly with indignation and pride. > > Since then, it has transformed into a beautiful butterfly. Say, rather, a beautiful flower, sprung from rich fertilizer. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/67 "2004-03-22T19:17:10Z")
Could someone _puh-leeeeze_ start some more threads about subscribing? Pretty please? Oh, and by the way… What the serv is a confuckative? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/68 "2004-03-22T19:20:40Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > You do the martyr thing very well, **elucidator**. Too bad it doesn’t change the fact that this is a liberal board, for whatever reasons you’d like to surmise. I don’t need reasons, **AFD**. I’m not surprised, to my mind a Socratic dialogue based on evidence and reason must almost inevitiably lead to a more accepting, hence “liberal” point of view. How am I making claims to “martyrdom” when I’m winning? You are, yourself, a classic example of the perils of an open mind (for which, make no mistake, I commend you). You still don’t like “liberals”, but evidence and argument have compelled you to admit that they are right on certain crucial points. Which is just dandy by me, I don’t come here to be loved, I come here to argue. I’ve brought this up a bunch to times: if the SDMB is dominated by liberals, how did this come to pass? The closest anyone has come to an answer was friend **Scylla** , who cobbled together the pathetic rationale that the _Reader_, being an “underground” paper, naturally attracted the loathesome scum of the Earth, i.e., me. You can sign on to that, if you like, but it’s kinda weak. So you tell me: how did they do it? Conspiracy? Skullduggery? As to the OP: here’s one home-grown radical who ain’t going nowhere! (PS: Conservative lesbian teens knitting sweaters for poodles? Is that out on video?) ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/69 "2004-03-22T19:27:29Z")
So… Any liberals left? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/70 "2004-03-22T19:33:46Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Saw plenty, twenty years ago when I was six-teen, but I still gotta say, WTF are you talking about? 😕 For your edification (sort of)… [LUG](http://www.rainbowguide.com/news/031203-2.html) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/71 "2004-03-22T19:37:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I don’t come here to be loved, I come here to argue. [Monty Python] I’m sorry - this is Abuse. You want Room 12A. [/Monty Python] ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/72 "2004-03-22T19:39:22Z")
> [@](#): > > So… Any liberals left? None with a consistent and heart-felt entitlements philosophy, but is that what you meant? ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/73 "2004-03-22T20:08:10Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > You do the martyr thing very well, **elucidator**. Too bad it doesn’t change the fact that this is a liberal board, for whatever reasons you’d like to surmise. Is it liberal when you can only get get 2 people to support your worldview or because people have the nerve to question the current administration? Did it ever occur to you that maybe **your** opinions, and not everyone else’s here, were the ones that are far from the center? Just a thought. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/74 "2004-03-22T20:21:48Z")
No, it’s liberal because there is a vast outpouring of support for things like Kerry, who despite what you read here has no better than a 50/50 shot at becoming President, an impression that anyone new to this place would never get from reading a few threads, and other things like gay marriage, which while I support the cause, ideas, and motivation behind it, isn’t playing very well in Peoria and stands a good possibility of being denied by state and federal judiciaries. I consider myself a moderate conservative. I have my big issue that take me way to the right, but if anything this board has made me realize that there are different, reasonable, and downright correct points of view when compared to what mine were. Frankly, you won’t find too many people more centrist than I am. That being said, from where I sit this board is so liberal I’m surprised it isn’t run by Mother Jones instead of the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/75 "2004-03-22T20:24:42Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Too bad it doesn’t change the fact that this is a liberal board, for whatever reasons you’d like to surmise. Either that, or you’re just slanted so far to the right that you think everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal. But that could _never_ happen, since you’re _sooooooooooooooooooo_ impartial and fair, eh **Doors?** 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/76 "2004-03-22T20:37:58Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Either that, or you’re just slanted so far to the right that you think everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal. > > But that could _never_ happen, since you’re _sooooooooooooooooooo_ impartial and fair, eh **Doors?** 😉 Compared to you, I am the very definition of fair and impartial. I can be swayed by a reasonable argument, whereas all you can do is bleat either “Bush sucks” or “PCs suck, Macs are better”. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/77 "2004-03-22T21:01:31Z")
Come now, **Rjung** , **Airman Doors** isn’t fair and impartial, he’s “fair and balanced.” (Sorry, **Airman** , you know I love ya.) And, as it happens, **Doors** happens to be at least partially right–Kerry does have only a 50/50 shot at being president (being that he is one of two serious candidates), and the gay marriage issue can prove to be a liability for the Dems in the election. Unlike foreign affairs or economic policy, the concept of gay marriage is easily comprehensible and sufficiently disquieting to the average American to be a significant factor in swinging voters to the Party of God (AKA the Wahabist wing of the GOP). ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/78 "2004-03-22T21:18:52Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > And, as it happens, **Doors** happens to be at least partially right–Kerry does have only a 50/50 shot at being president (being that he is one of two serious candidates) OK, you got me on that one, but that wasn’t my intent. Looking at the support Kerry’s getting on the SDMB, you’d think that he was an absolute cinch to win. He’s not. It’ll be close, but it’s by no means over, and certainly not to the tune of 82-18 in Kerry’s favor. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/79 "2004-03-22T21:28:47Z")
> [@Muad'Dib](#): > > So… Any liberals left? Yes! Just replying to see “Charter member” under my name. Hey, do we get a secret handshake or something? Maybe a blazer with a 😕 on the pocket? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2004, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-there-be-any-liberals-left-here-after-the-conversion-to-paying-site/235625/80 "2004-03-22T21:46:03Z")
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