If somehow things look really bad next summer for Trump I can see him quitting and say it’s for health reasons. But the odds of that are 5% at best.
people who think history started the day they were born.
Well, the Civil War was pretty crazy…
This…
also,
The Depression was pretty Crazy
Civil rights era was pretty crazy
The Cuban missal crisis was pretty crazy
This is the age of social media and hyperbole.
People don’t like or like the President because either he’s a outsider and that’s bad or he’s an outsider and that’s good. We’ll survive it. Shrug.
Look at Agnew/Nixon. First Agnew resigned (not a first for VP). Ford was appointed VP. (A first due to a new constitutional amendment.) Nixon resigned (a first) and Ford became President. First time anyone became President without being elected to at least VP.
And that wasn’t the only crazy thing in that era. From ~1964-1974 a whole lot of unusual things happened. Far more unusual than now. (And there were rumors in 1972 that Nixon was going to cancel the election if he thought he was going to lose.)
And, as people have pointed out, this wasn’t the strangest period in our history yet.
Can we declare that the official first-day of the Presidential election season is when a straight dope member asks if it is true the next presidential election won’t be held?
Only if the Democrats can’t come up with a candidate. Which they will, even if the main criterion is a pulse.
Only if the question is asked immediately after the prior inauguration, which is when the next season starts. We no longer pause between presidential terms; it’s continuous. Get the organizing and fundraising started FAST or you’re a loser.
Crazy times now, and past? Yes, because crazy country, now and past and forever. Who said America grew from infancy to senility without passing maturity? America is more an idea than a place. No, the country has not yet imploded; but “past performance is no guarantee of future results,” as a stock prospectus may warn.
Yes, it can all go to shit… if we let it.
I’m sorry but no. We will have an election because the Constitution says so.
I feel that this kind of comment really minimizes what is happening.
Yes Trump is an outsider and so was Reagan (to a lesser degree, but still).
The difference is that we have someone utterly corrupt and craven in the white house, who flouts the law in plain sight, and has found a party and political climate willing to acquiesce to that.
I think the Ukraine thing is worse, and definitely more brazen than Watergate, and yet half the population sees nothing wrong, and a good chunk of those think the real crime is being perpetrated by the “deep state” or whatever. Many on the religious right see trump as some kind of savior.
For me, it’s not enough to say we’ve been through a lot in the past. I see no guarantee that Democracy and the separation of powers is going to survive this, especially since both are already critically damaged at this point.
I don’t buy this, just saying.
Which part? The accurate stuff about Trump and who supports him? Or the assertion that the USA as we know it is very likely to change in the near future?
I’d just like to chime in that this is ludicrous - it’s wrong about the motivations of both pro and anti-Trump folks. As in, absurdly wrong.
The Constitution says treaties are the supreme law of the land; the US has broken those since Washington’s term. It contains emoluments clauses, many voting rights articles, and various other bits this slimeball willfully violates. Dubya called the Constitution “just a scrap of paper” and Tramp wipes his butt with it. Wishful thinking won’t ensure an election, especially not a “free and fair” election, which is nowhere guaranteed.
We’ve no guarantees either of honest, transparent vote counts. And that’s just what Team Tramp and their Russian master want: to dis-empower democracy, to dis-unite the American union. Tramp has already threatened civil war. That’s the endgame.
Something called an “election” may indeed occur in November 2020. But no guarantees.
The story goes that he called it just a “piece” of paper, and in all likelihood the story is complete bullshit.
And even then, if he said it was just a piece of paper, context is important. I’ve heard people say things like «a constitution is just a piece of paper unless the people believe in it.»
Any linky-link-link, RioRico?
«Scrap of paper» is more commonly associated with Chancellor Bethman-Holleweg and Germany’s invasion of Belgium in WWI.
Is there any truth to what I’ve been hearing that the 2024 Presidential elections have been cancelled?
First
What emolument has Trump personally received without the approval of Congress?
Whose voting right has Trump personally violated?