# "Will they or won't they" relationships which were a "they won't" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 31, 2012, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606 "2012-05-31T01:44:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/41 "2012-05-31T14:40:42Z")
I thought Catherine & Vincent did indeed do the deed on “Beauty & the Beast” , and they had and beast child and everything. can’t wiki-check right now, but that’s what I’m remembering. and the hook-up ruined an otherwise good thing (as in many other shows, like Northern Exposure, x-files, etc) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/42 "2012-05-31T14:46:15Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > I thought Catherine & Vincent did indeed do the deed on “Beauty & the Beast” , and they had and beast child and everything. can’t wiki-check right now, but that’s what I’m remembering. and the hook-up ruined an otherwise good thing (as in many other shows, like Northern Exposure, x-files, etc) You are correct. Catherine died in Season 3, but not before giving birth to Vincent’s son. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/43 "2012-05-31T14:55:37Z")
Angel and Cordelia fron _Angel_. Also from _Angel_, Wes and Fred _sort of_ didn’t… Gunn started dating her before Wes could make a move, then Wes had his alienation from the group so couldn’t date her then, and then right when they just barely started to, she up and died. Though he did have a very _weird_ relationship with Illyria in Fred’s body, so there’s that…(wasn’t it said/implied that they had sex? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/44 "2012-05-31T15:05:52Z")
Harry and Hermione. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/45 "2012-05-31T15:08:04Z")
How about Maverick and Iceman? ---
**Author:** ![Chicagojeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@Chicagojeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicagojeff)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/46 "2012-05-31T15:19:21Z")
Kyle and Max on Living Single… but i think they did eventually hook up towards the end… ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/47 "2012-05-31T15:19:43Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > How about Maverick and Iceman? Oh, they totally did it. ---
**Author:** ![Tara57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@Tara57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tara57)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/48 "2012-05-31T15:22:11Z")
Jo and Laurie from\* Little Women\* ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/49 "2012-05-31T15:26:53Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > Not a TV show, but how about James Bond and Moneypenny? Must be the longest “Will they won’t they” going Nah – she’s got a crush on him, he indulges her by flirting back. Definitely one-sided. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/50 "2012-05-31T15:29:09Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > Benson and Stabler from _L&O:SVU_ > > StG Or Benson and Gretchen Kraus for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/51 "2012-05-31T15:31:32Z")
On Frasier, the show very occasionally hinted at Frasier and Roz (though it was never the focus, as with Cheers), but though they slept together once, nothing came of it. They always remained friends, though, which was nice. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/52 "2012-05-31T15:40:01Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > According to the finale, yes they will. Then they won’t. But since Picard is now aware of the possible future, maybe they won’t. And then they will. > > Maybe. I hate temporal physics. Jason Bourne and Nicky Parsons. She hints that they might have been close, but he doesn’t remember, so I think it counts. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/53 "2012-05-31T15:44:16Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Nah – she’s got a crush on him, he indulges her by flirting back. Definitely one-sided. James Bond is the biggest man-slag on the planet. I really can’t see him knocking her back if she came on to him at the office Christmas party. He wouldn’t call her back in the morning though. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/54 "2012-05-31T16:05:35Z")
Frodo & Sam? (I personally read LOTR without seeing the gay overtones many others did, and that the author was probably appalled at. But - seems to fit with this thread.) ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/55 "2012-05-31T16:18:16Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > James Bond is the biggest man-slag on the planet. I really can’t see him knocking her back if she came on to him at the office Christmas party. > > He wouldn’t call her back in the morning though. [Obligatory link to nsfw critique of their relationship.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfSQW499Xc) ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/56 "2012-05-31T16:21:44Z")
The best resolution of a “will-they/won’t-they” relationship has to be the second to last episode of **the Mary Tyler Moore Show**. After growing closer and coyly flirting with each other for the whole run of the series, Lou Grant & Mary Richards finally went out on a date together. There are the usual run of sitcom complications, until in the final moments, the two lean in and kiss each other…then each of them giggle, followed by gut-busting laughter from the pair. The implication being they had become much too good friends to attempt to begin a romance. Ed Asner once said in an interview that he suggested an alternate ending to that episode - the two begin kissing, the lights fade out, and from out of the darkness Mary cries “Oh, Mr. Grant!!!” Unfortunately, the network wouldn’t go for something that suggestive. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/57 "2012-05-31T16:27:20Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > Angel and Cordelia fron _Angel_. And even earlier, on Buffy- Cordelia and Wesley. For months they gave off a serious vibe together, with lots of meaningful glances and flirtation, all culminating in a deep, passionate kiss… … immediately after which they both agreed that there was no chemistry, and it was completely dropped. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/58 "2012-05-31T16:31:24Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > And even earlier, on Buffy- Cordelia and Wesley. For months they gave off a serious vibe together, with lots of meaningful glances and flirtation, all culminating in a deep, passionate kiss… > > … immediately after which they both agreed that there was no chemistry, and it was completely dropped. Well, to be fair, she was still a student at the high school that he was lurking at, so a relationship would have been creepy. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/59 "2012-05-31T16:39:40Z")
On SEINFELD, Jerry and Elaine start off as exes who make a couple of tries at getting back together – it never lasts for more than an episode – until the finale, when their plane is going down and it looks like they’re going to die: one almost declares their love for the other, but (a) doesn’t actually get around to it, and (b) later denies the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-they-or-wont-they-relationships-which-were-a-they-wont/623606/60 "2012-05-31T18:10:05Z")
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