# Will this election also be decided by the perverse American fetish for GUNS? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259 "2019-09-15T09:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/181 "2019-09-18T16:11:12Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’m sorry, I’m posting my opinion as I view it and get told to fuck off and called a moron, reply in kind with equal proportion to the attack, and I’m the one pissing people off? > > Hell of a take. You started with this in your first reply to me: “I didn’t answer it because it was so stupid I didn’t feel it deserved my time.” That is what you call “posting my opinion as I view it”? I call it an insult. Then you get the vapors when I respond in kind. As I said, fuck off moron. Again this is the pit. If you can’t take it there are other fora here where insults are not allowed. But then you’ll have to play by that rule too. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/182 "2019-09-18T16:21:23Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > You started with this in your first reply to me: > > “I didn’t answer it because it was so stupid I didn’t feel it deserved my time.” > > That is what you call “posting my opinion as I view it”? I call it an insult. > > Then you get the vapors when I respond in kind. As I said, fuck off moron. Again this is the pit. If you can’t take it there are other fora here where insults are not allowed. But then you’ll have to play by that rule too. That is literally my opinion of the question which I avoided the first time, but since you so deeply wanted my attention that you came back around to ask me again I figured I would address it. Which I did. If someone tells me to answer them or “shut the hell up” I’ll give them both barrels (pun)(calm down). Don’t act so offended if you get the attention you asked for. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/183 "2019-09-18T16:23:57Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > That is literally my opinion of the question which I avoided the first time, but since you so deeply wanted my attention that you came back around to ask me again I figured I would address it. > > Which I did. > > If someone tells me to answer them or “shut the hell up” I’ll give them both barrels (pun)(calm down). > > Don’t act so offended if you get the attention you asked for. You complained about getting insulted when you started the insults. IN THE PIT. Do you not see how ridiculous that is? You are the one acting offended. When the hell did I act offended? Good lord you cannot follow a conversation, and you do not understand the point of the pit either. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/184 "2019-09-18T16:44:12Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > They had just done so. It was kinda on their minds. Do please note that anonymous commentary has no legal status, but the Constitution itself does, notably Article 1, Section 8, Clause 15: “(Congress shall have the Power) To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions.” > > See? They \*told \*you what it’s for. It’s right there. \*Suppress \*insurrections. Not be them, \*suppress \*them. > > But you knew that already, didn’t you? I knew you were “Mr. Ignore All Other Evidence And Minterpret One Sentence The Way You Want”. Seriously, **ElvisL1ves** , you’re a joke; I think the Mods only keep you around for comic relief. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/185 "2019-09-18T16:46:17Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > You’re wrong. Capitalism was responsible for colonialism, all of that blood and murder throughout history is on the hands of capitalism The Ottoman Empire were capitalists? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/186 "2019-09-18T16:59:27Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I knew you were “Mr. Ignore All Other Evidence And Minterpret One Sentence The Way You Want”. If you want “suppress” to mean “enable”, then you can want anything to mean anything. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/187 "2019-09-18T17:02:54Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > The Ottoman Empire were capitalists? 😕 I brought that up to illustrate how dumb and inane it is trying to tie the modern American left with Stalin et al. The point was to illustrate that by turning it around. I was not advancing that as my position. Are you not familiar with that rhetorical technique? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/188 "2019-09-18T18:43:51Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I was talking about left vs right, historically. > > And let me see if I got this shit straight. You guys correlate Republicans with Nazis and every available instance and yet when reminded that leftism has starved & murdered more people throughout history, you get all bent out of shape and pissy. > > There’s a word for your behavior. You do not have this shit straight. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/189 "2019-09-18T18:52:07Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > You complained about getting insulted when you started the insults. IN THE PIT. Do you not see how ridiculous that is? > > You are the one acting offended. When the hell did I act offended? Good lord you cannot follow a conversation, and you do not understand the point of the pit either. Actually the moron o’ the moment has insultex outside the Pit, too. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/190 "2019-09-18T19:24:32Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I was talking about left vs right, historically. > > And let me see if I got this shit straight. You guys correlate Republicans with Nazis and every available instance and yet when reminded that leftism has starved & murdered more people throughout history, you get all bent out of shape and pissy. > > There’s a word for your behavior. The difference is that we have out and out Nazi’s [swatiskas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally#/media/File:Charlottesville_'Unite_the_Right'_Rally_(35780274914)_crop.jpg) and all rallying in our streets and being called good people by the head of the Republican party. We don’t have Neo Moaists on getting support on the left. Yes there are those who describe themselves as Democratic socialists, but in spite of what you may have heard, Finland is not murdering and starving their people. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/191 "2019-09-18T20:44:37Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > You’re the one with dumbass, fringe positions. Not me, bud. The position that the american left holds positions that are murderous is, in fact, a dumbass, fringe position. Not even your fellow gun-lovers here would ever advance such a blatantly idiotic position, because while they don’t mind blatant lies and slander, they prefer positions that can be at least _possibly_ be interpreted as something other than the gibbering of a brain-damaged moron. You don’t share their intelligence in that regard. ---
**Author:** ![MartinLane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@MartinLane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MartinLane)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/192 "2019-09-18T20:53:27Z")
> [@sambucus](#): > > So to the original premise… Passion for GUNS should not be a factor. The mendacity of Orange Julius Caesar is part of a national emergency. And I wont “gun vote” if it means keeping that idiot in office. Keeping Trump in office does not protect gun ownership by any stretch of the imagination. Trump has demonstrated that he is the most anti-gun president we’ve had in a long time; even more so than Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![MartinLane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@MartinLane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MartinLane)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/193 "2019-09-18T20:56:08Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I’ll just assume you’re aware how blisteringly stupid this is. What is “this”. Assuming that anyone who owns a gun is a single issue voter? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/194 "2019-09-18T21:11:44Z")
> [@MartinLane](#): > > Keeping Trump in office does not protect gun ownership by any stretch of the imagination. Trump has demonstrated that he is the most anti-gun president we’ve had in a long time; even more so than Clinton. In what way? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/195 "2019-09-18T21:29:08Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > I brought that up to illustrate how dumb and inane it is trying to tie the modern American left with Stalin et al. The point was to illustrate that by turning it around. I was not advancing that as my position. Are you not familiar with that rhetorical technique? Sorry, I \ easy. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/196 "2019-09-18T21:31:59Z")
> [@MartinLane](#): > > > [@begbert2](#): > > > > > [@MartinLane](#): > > > > > > He was using the same kind of extreme language as other extremists. > > > > I’ll just assume you’re aware how blisteringly stupid this is. > > What is “this”. Assuming that anyone who owns a gun is a single issue voter? You are arguing that a person you are speaking to on this message board is an “extremist”, sheerly based on the extremely dubious claim that his language resembles that of “extremists”. For the record, this is in fact not the stupidest thing I’ve ever read. I get around. However it’s pretty obvious that you’re the sort of dumbfuck who likes calling their opponents extremists to demonize them, with no basis for that whatsoever - and thus we get this shining example of “still no basis whatsoever, along with proof of that fact due to the lack of any non-idiotic justification.” ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/197 "2019-09-19T00:49:15Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > I brought that up to illustrate how dumb and inane it is trying to tie the modern American left with Stalin et al. The point was to illustrate that by turning it around. I was not advancing that as my position. Are you not familiar with that rhetorical technique? No you didn’t. You brought it up because it’s what you believe, while at the same time no doubt believing that the modern American right are Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/198 "2019-09-19T00:51:16Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Actually the moron o’ the moment has insultex outside the Pit, too. Huh? ---
**Author:** ![MartinLane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@MartinLane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MartinLane)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/199 "2019-09-19T08:46:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > In what way? In the way that Trump has had more guns seized than any other president. ---
**Author:** ![MartinLane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@MartinLane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MartinLane)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/200 "2019-09-19T08:49:44Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > You are arguing that a person you are speaking to on this message board is an “extremist”, sheerly based … Naw, I’m calling it based on his own words. > [@](#): > > Fuck every single one of them in the ass with a red hot poker. Anyone with a fetish for torture, rape and weapons is screwed up in the head. But you don’t need to agree with me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=11)