# Will this election also be decided by the perverse American fetish for GUNS? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259 "2019-09-15T09:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![MortSahlFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@MortSahlFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MortSahlFan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/221 "2019-09-19T19:38:40Z")
lol @ fighting the US military with a few assault weapons. It’s pandering, just like the tax issue “It’s YOUR money” (so let’s give trillions to the 1%) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/222 "2019-09-19T19:47:30Z")
> [@MartinLane](#): > > Think about it, who defines what a machine gun is? You or the federal government? Could I go out into a field and shoot an animal with just a bump stock? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/223 "2019-09-19T19:53:19Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Could I go out into a field and shoot an animal with just a bump stock? No, but you can hit a bunny rabbit over the head with it. ---
**Author:** ![MartinLane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@MartinLane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MartinLane)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/224 "2019-09-19T19:59:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Too stupid to argue with. I agree that you are too stupid to argue with. But it is times like this that I feel like I’m clubbing baby seals when I post the letter of the law and they will not even try to read and understand it. Or perhaps you can tell me exactly which part of 27 CFR you do not agree with? ---
**Author:** ![MartinLane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@MartinLane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MartinLane)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/225 "2019-09-19T20:02:14Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Could I go out into a field and shoot an animal with just a bump stock? No. But not all firearms as they are defined by the government actually fire projectiles. The government also includes drop-in auto sears (the part that makes a machine gun fire repeatedly) and silencers in the definition of firearms. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/226 "2019-09-19T20:02:14Z")
Any other pro-gun people agree that a bump stock is a firearm in and of itself? ---
**Author:** ![MartinLane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@MartinLane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MartinLane)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/227 "2019-09-19T20:03:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Any other pro-gun people agree that a bump stock is a firearm in and of itself? Oh, that is a new one! Federal law is actually a popularity contest? The universe is going to own you some day if you keep thinking like this. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/228 "2019-09-19T20:04:12Z")
> [@MartinLane](#): > > No. But not all firearms as they are defined by the government actually fire projectiles. The government also includes drop-in auto sears (the part that makes a machine gun fire repeatedly) and silencers in the definition of firearms. Well, I’ve never argued that the government wasn’t stupid sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![MartinLane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@MartinLane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MartinLane)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/229 "2019-09-19T20:06:48Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Well, I’ve never argued that the government wasn’t stupid sometimes. I’m not going to argue with you there. But who decides what a firearm is? The government or the likes of you and Czarcasm? Seeing as how I’m subject to those laws, I’m going to side with the feds on that definition. It will keep me out of jail longer. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/230 "2019-09-19T20:13:39Z")
> [@MartinLane](#): > > I’m not going to argue with you there. But who decides what a firearm is? The government or the likes of you and Czarcasm? Seeing as how I’m subject to those laws, I’m going to side with the feds on that definition. It will keep me out of jail longer. Hey, you can think whatever you want. And we can mock you for it. 'Merica! ---
**Author:** ![MartinLane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@MartinLane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MartinLane)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/231 "2019-09-19T20:21:39Z")
Yes, the real price of the 1st Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![MartinLane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@MartinLane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MartinLane)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/232 "2019-09-19T20:28:26Z")
Czarcasm has left the thread and created another one to drum up support for his “I say what guns are, not the federal government” tripe. [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=882349](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=882349) Tune in there for more baby seal clubbing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/233 "2019-09-19T21:14:35Z")
> [@MartinLane](#): > > I’m not going to argue with you there. But who decides what a firearm is? The government or the likes of you and Czarcasm? Seeing as how I’m subject to those laws, I’m going to side with the feds on that definition. It will keep me out of jail longer. This ain’t France - there is no Académie Française in America. So you want to know who _doesn’t_ define what a gun is America? The government! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/234 "2019-09-19T21:44:27Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Fortunately, a lot of people are fed up with the status quo and do not stop at mockery. They are voting for gun controls and limiting access. Some 85%+ percent of the country agrees that status quo is no longer acceptable. When people vote, laws tend to change. So I would not be so sure about your “changes nothing” conclusion. I’m a gun owner (just one rifle right now). I say the current status quo is bullshit. I’m ALL for background checks, federal regulation to replace and over-rule the states with their crazy randomness, and I’m all for making sure crazy people and gun nut far right conspiracy freaks, Nazis, extremists, fascists, etc, can never get anything more dangerous than a paperclip. People’s right to stay alive out ranks some Ted “ShittyPantsDraftDodger” Nugent asshole wannabe’s desire to compensate for a tiny dick or play out some sick right wng “kill the libs” bullshit fantasy. Yeah I said it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/235 "2019-09-19T21:50:11Z")
> [@MartinLane](#): > > The owners care. It does not matter how you dress up your post with ignorance and profanity, some people care. > > Your willful ignorance does not trump federal law either. With an attitude like that, your ass is going to end up in a sling someday. 🙂 Why does anyone need a bump stock? Is it of ANY use in hunting, target shooting, home defense, (any other “reason” to have guns and shit) or anything other than spraying large groups of people? quickly? Take them all and melt them down, smash them, dump them in the ocean, whatever. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/236 "2019-09-19T21:51:05Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I’m a gun owner (just one rifle right now). I say the current status quo is bullshit. > > I’m ALL for background checks, federal regulation to replace and over-rule the states with their crazy randomness, and I’m all for making sure crazy people and gun nut far right conspiracy freaks, Nazis, extremists, fascists, etc, can never get anything more dangerous than a paperclip. > > People’s right to stay alive out ranks some Ted “ShittyPantsDraftDodger” Nugent asshole wannabe’s desire to compensate for a tiny dick or play out some sick right wng “kill the libs” bullshit fantasy. > > Yeah I said it. Would you be willing to give up your own rifle to achieve this? I mean, I have a hard time thinking of a net that will scoop up the far right that has holes large enough for the sane to slip thorough. ---
**Author:** ![MartinLane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@MartinLane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MartinLane)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/237 "2019-09-19T21:53:50Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > … and gun nut far right conspiracy freaks, Nazis, extremists, fascists, etc, can never get anything more dangerous than a paperclip. It seems that you are including people you merely dislike in the group of people who should be denied guns. I’ve no sympathy for fascists (aren’t all nazis fascists?), but I’m not about to deny guns to people simply because I don’t like them. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/238 "2019-09-19T22:02:55Z")
> [@MartinLane](#): > > It seems that you are including people you merely dislike in the group of people who should be denied guns. I’ve no sympathy for fascists (aren’t all nazis fascists?), but I’m not about to deny guns to people simply because I don’t like them. The list to me looks like people who are mentally unsound and/or openly espouse violent policy, give or take “extremists” which is a rather generic term. (As is “etc.”, I suppose.) I mean, I’m sure he dislikes these people, but they also sound legitimately unsafe. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/239 "2019-09-19T22:07:11Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Would you be willing to give up your own rifle to achieve this? I mean, I have a hard time thinking of a net that will scoop up the far right that has holes large enough for the sane to slip thorough. At this point, SURE. If they pass a law tomorrow saying turn in ALL semiautos (including .22LR which mine is) I would comply. My only “condition” is, don’t arrest me or shoot me while trying to turn it in. But it is unlikely I would be grouped with the crazies. I have no police record, no warrants, no psychological issues, and am not affiliated with any gangs/groups - fascist/racist/Marxist/“islamist” or otherwise. The only “crimes” I ever did were parking and speeding… LONG ago. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/240 "2019-09-19T22:08:23Z")
> [@MartinLane](#): > > It seems that you are including people you merely dislike in the group of people who should be denied guns. I’ve no sympathy for fascists (aren’t all nazis fascists?), but I’m not about to deny guns to people simply because I don’t like them. Fuck the fascists and the Nazis. And they aren’t necessarily the same identical thing in ALL ways. But, close enough. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=13)