# Will this election also be decided by the perverse American fetish for GUNS? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259 "2019-09-15T09:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/261 "2019-09-20T11:41:24Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Ive been reading this sub for a few days now How many days in did before realised you weren’t on reddit? ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/262 "2019-09-20T12:19:08Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > The USA’s democracy is so unstable that it requires 40,000 deaths per year to protect it? > > Bullshit. 2nd Amendment bullshit. I’ll take “drunken statements that make no sense” for $500, Alex. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/263 "2019-09-20T13:33:01Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’ll take “drunken statements that make no sense” for $500, Alex. He is saying that the USA has a higher death rate, mostly caused by suicide, due to guns than other comparable Western democracies. A policy shift where new gun sales of guns that are not heavily limited are made illegal, and a mass seizure that would require the military and probably robotic infantry, might reduce the number of deaths. Umm, except there would be a number of deaths during the seizure period. And people who commit suicide can choose other means, although it turns out that suicidal people are often depressed and lazy and if you block easy means, many of them will live on. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/264 "2019-09-20T13:34:51Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Ive been reading this sub for a few days now but after reading through all of this bullshit I have to add my two cents. > > Not a gun owner. > > Yet I support the right of people to have a means to defend themselves from a potential tyrannical/hostile government takeover and to protect themselves from home invaders, those who wish to rob, rape etc. > > The arguments I keep reading and hearing are “An Ar-15 can’t take out a tank” and “They have planes and bombs and satellites and better weapons” and so on, and all of them mean absolute shit. These arguments are from people who are projecting their insecurities and doubting the capabilities of their fellow citizens. Improvisation and Guerilla tactics are very effective, especially when used to obtain weapons and assets used by organized military. Not to mention a possible bonus of receiving assistance or full support from breakaway factions of the military who refuse to attack their own citizens, or at least may provide weapons and other provisions for them to fight back. Possession of arms/firearms is about keeping a potential tyrannical government in question of whether or not to pursue turning on their civilian population. If they do proceed, it’s about stemming or turning the tide if you will. First and foremost it is to ultimately protect The FIRST AMENDMENT among others, and when politicians decide to turn from a public servant into a “leaders”. American was founded as a Republic, with the power resting with the states and people, not a huge centralized authority. The Second Amendment is about preventing centralized authority, and an ultimate protection of voting, speech and every other right. It is to be used as a last resort, but the specter of which is absolutely necessary. If you cannot think of a scenario in which your own government would strip the rights away and attack its own citizens, I hazard that you should _ **open a history book** _, or your mind. Think of something dear to you, think of the government changing amendments or disillusioned and frightened people voting under duress or deception for laws they do not understand or for Bills that are over 3,000 pages long with lovely hidden easter eggs in them that will get passed because nobody decides to read the fucking thing or misinterprets or miscalculates the potential outcome of certain facets of said Bill… “What harm can it do?” > > One Law here, One Law There, and A few bills in between with little changes that slowly strip away your rights until an ever expanding government widens the separation between themselves as a protected “Elite” and the rest of us pissants at their mercy. It’s happened countless times before. > > I agree that the side effects and collateral damage of such a Right have been calamitous, but the Second Amendment is here to stay and trying to eliminate it here as in commonwealth countries will absolutely not happen. Doing so will culminate and result at _minimum_ in a second Civil War. That outcome is not in anyones best interest. > > If anyone is interested there’s this http://www.heyjackass.com which can give you a small idea of how well gun control actually works and how media outlets have selective amnesia of where more gun crimes happen than the “OMGWTFBBQ!! WHITE SUPREMAZISTTTTTTS!!!” argument they keep floating to cover up the Anti-2nd agenda crowds’ iniquities, shortcomings and hypocrisy. > > The Second Amendment is here to stay, get used to it. It was put there for a reason. Do not underestimate it’s power for “We The People” despite what stupid assholes do when they go on rampages. > > Eliminating legal ownership of any type of firearm will NOT STOP Mass Shootings and criminals. It may bolster a black market with the abundance of parts, and its really not hard to use a lathe, grinders and a drill press for anything missing. There are more firearms here than people, and that is based on an underestimation. > > You can try to argue that firearm prohibition will work all you want, but it just means you enjoy pissing into the wind. LOL, I guess this answers the OP’s question. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/265 "2019-09-20T13:39:48Z")
Guns are my God-Given\* Right! \*As noted in the second line item of an agreed-upon list of modifications to a newly formed, never tried before, system of government which itself is only 4 pages long and is the secular creation of British traitors who, at that time, were rather anamathic to Christianity because it was popular and “cool” to be so… and really, this right only extends to the borders of the territories this one amalgamated system of government can control. (Our God is not a very powerful God, it seems.) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/266 "2019-09-20T14:13:08Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’ll take “drunken statements that make no sense” for $500, Alex. You really are a fucking idiot who wouldn’t recognize common sense if it stuck its dick in your ear and fuck-started your brain. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/267 "2019-09-20T15:04:03Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You really are a fucking idiot who wouldn’t recognize common sense if it stuck its dick in your ear and fuck-started your brain. At least you managed to type this clearly rehearsed line without angry-editing after the fact. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/268 "2019-09-20T15:18:17Z")
While bump stocks may “carry a cost to accuracy” that only matter if you’re trying to hit something specific rather that just working a target rich environment. QED. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/269 "2019-09-20T15:20:47Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > At least you managed to type this clearly rehearsed line without angry-editing after the fact. At least he’s not a moron. Like you are. Moron. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/270 "2019-09-20T15:27:05Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’ll take “drunken statements that make no sense” for $500, Alex. I’ll take “Doper who missed the point” for $1,000, Alex, and yes, I’ll make it a true Daily Double. And BTW, **anomalous1** , America _tried_ to work without a centralized federal government, run by the states, and it failed miserably. Google up “Articles of Confederation.” So right there, your premise has a hole bigger than the Titanic. Say hi to Jack on the way to the bottom. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/271 "2019-09-20T15:47:23Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > At least you managed to type this clearly rehearsed line without angry-editing after the fact. Unfortunately, we’ve all had lots of practice with your ilk. You don’t pose much of a challenge, I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/272 "2019-09-20T15:56:57Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Unfortunately, we’ve all had lots of practice with your ilk. You don’t pose much of a challenge, I’m afraid. “Your ilk”? That’s pretty bigoted. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/273 "2019-09-20T16:00:22Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > “Your ilk”? > > That’s pretty bigoted. We have to put a stop to all this bigotry against the moronic troll race! ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/274 "2019-09-20T16:10:07Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > “Your ilk”? > > That’s pretty bigoted. You got us. We are indeed bigoted against morons. So stop being a moron. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/275 "2019-09-20T16:47:51Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > You got us. We are indeed bigoted against morons. > > So stop being a moron. Hey, stop criticizing his alternative lifestyle! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/276 "2019-09-20T16:49:55Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Hey, stop criticizing his alternative lifestyle! …and/or religion and/or disability! ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/277 "2019-09-20T16:50:44Z")
Was I intelligence shaming? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/278 "2019-09-20T16:52:19Z")
The morally/ethically handicapped have rights, too! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/279 "2019-09-20T16:54:04Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > “Your ilk”? > > That’s pretty bigoted. It would only be bigoted if there’s no _good reason_ to dislike you people. By which I mean trolls. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/280 "2019-09-20T17:40:58Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > It would only be bigoted if there’s no _good reason_ to dislike you people. You people!!!???!!! > [@](#): > > By which I mean trolls. Oh. Nevermind then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=15)