# Will this election also be decided by the perverse American fetish for GUNS? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259 "2019-09-15T09:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/321 "2019-09-23T00:11:43Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, because guns don’t protect anyone. If guns protected people then the right would oppose them. I think you are _petitio principii_, begging the question here. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/322 "2019-09-23T04:19:05Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, because guns don’t protect anyone. If guns protected people then the right would oppose them. You can’t be serious with this post. If you’re making a joke or sarcasm that’s great, if you actually think this way you may want to talk to someone, perhaps in a certain professional field. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/323 "2019-09-23T04:34:08Z")
My intent to posting here was to, in more eloquent terms, to tell the Gun Grabbers to get… Over themselves. The blathering on about it will not help anything. 2A and Firearms are here to stay. If somehow you actually could get 75% of state legislators to vote that way, you still won’t get many turning them in, not to mention what prohibition causes, black markets etc… It will absolutely not happen. The only way forward is to minimize collateral damage and psychotic incels and nutbags killing Innocents. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/324 "2019-09-23T05:12:17Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > You can’t be serious with this post. If you’re making a joke or sarcasm that’s great, if you actually think this way you may want to talk to someone, perhaps in a certain professional field. Oh, please; the goal of the Right is to turn the nation into a tyranny and prey on everyone else; if they thought guns _actually_ protected against tyranny or defended the innocent they’d by cracking down hard on guns. Predators don’t encourage people to do things that help against predators, they encourage them to do things that don’t help against predators. The Second Amendment is worthless, it protects no one. Therefore, the Right holds it up as the only Amendment or right that matters while they strip everything else away. > [@anomalous1](#): > > My intent to posting here was to, in more eloquent terms, to tell the Gun Grabbers to get… Over themselves. The blathering on about it will not help anything. 2A and Firearms are here to stay. If somehow you actually could get 75% of state legislators to vote that way, you still won’t get many turning them in, not to mention what prohibition causes, black markets etc… It will absolutely not happen. The only way forward is to minimize collateral damage and psychotic incels and nutbags killing Innocents. The _only_ way to do that is gun control. And, your side of the argument is steadily losing ground, in large part to its blatant disdain for human life and strong association with bigotry. People are getting tired of dying because the gun-worshippers are willing to drink an ocean of blood to propitiate their god. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/325 "2019-09-23T08:59:54Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Oh, please; the goal of the Right is to turn the nation into a tyranny and prey on everyone else; if they thought guns _actually_ protected against tyranny or defended the innocent they’d by cracking down hard on guns. Predators don’t encourage people to do things that help against predators, they encourage them to do things that don’t help against predators. > > The Second Amendment is worthless, it protects no one. Therefore, the Right holds it up as the only Amendment or right that matters while they strip everything else away. > > The _only_ way to do that is gun control. > > And, your side of the argument is steadily losing ground, in large part to its blatant disdain for human life and strong association with bigotry. People are getting tired of dying because the gun-worshippers are willing to drink an ocean of blood to propitiate their god. You do realize how psychotic and delusional your response comes across, don’t you? If you don’t, you really need to see a professional. I cannot believe that such a delusion about The Second Amendment and it’s supporters (LEFT, and RIGHT) could exist. It’s profound and quite frankly, fascinating. How does one go so deep in the rabbit hole? _Checks_ Oh, California. Got it. Have a nice evening. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/326 "2019-09-23T15:50:48Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > You do realize how psychotic and delusional your response comes across, don’t you? If you don’t, you really need to see a professional. > > I cannot believe that such a delusion about The Second Amendment and it’s supporters (LEFT, and RIGHT) could exist. It’s profound and quite frankly, fascinating. How does one go so deep in the rabbit hole? > > _Checks_ Oh, California. > > Got it. Have a nice evening. I’ve been to film festivals with less projection than this post. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/327 "2019-09-23T16:31:09Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > You can’t be serious with this post. If you’re making a joke or sarcasm that’s great, if you actually think this way you may want to talk to someone, perhaps in a certain professional field. **ElvisL1ves** makes **Der Trihs** sound calm and rational by comparison. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/328 "2019-09-23T23:02:58Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > My intent to posting here was to, in more eloquent terms, to tell the Gun Grabbers to get… Over themselves. The blathering on about it will not help anything. 2A and Firearms are here to stay. If somehow you actually could get 75% of state legislators to vote that way, you still won’t get many turning them in, not to mention what prohibition causes, black markets etc… It will absolutely not happen. The only way forward is to minimize collateral damage and psychotic incels and nutbags killing Innocents. So your argument is that you and your ilk are criminals that would not comply with a legal turn-in requirement and who would willingly and cheerfully break the law to retain the ability to murder people. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/329 "2019-09-24T01:02:51Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > So your argument is that you and your ilk are criminals that would not comply with a legal turn-in requirement and who would willingly and cheerfully break the law to retain the ability to murder people. The gun nuts don’t care about the law, unless they can use it to hurt people. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/330 "2019-09-24T06:12:21Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > So your argument is that you and your ilk are criminals that would not comply with a legal turn-in requirement and who would willingly and cheerfully break the law to retain the ability to murder people. Loaded reply. Not surprised. But I will answer. If I actually owned firearms, no. I would not. The only way they would be restricted/confiscated would be unconstitutional in itself. Unless if being a legal owner I get absolute assurance that every criminal will be disarmed as well and that the military is infallible and police would arrive in a matter of seconds… But none of that is going to happen anyway. At best you’d get a fraction. Of people turning them in, but that won’t even happen. 2A is here to stay. Keep dreaming. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/331 "2019-09-24T06:19:42Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The gun nuts don’t care about the law, unless they can use it to hurt people. It’s all it about guaranteed Defense. Your hyperbole is exhausting. Criminals don’t care about the law. All you would do is disarm responsible people. If you dare to bring up mass shootings and the people dying from it, please look into city and gang violence. UCR Data from the FBI. Prohibition works well there, doesn’t it? And it’s not white supremacists or ‘gun nuts’ doing all of that killing. Hypocrisy at its finest. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/332 "2019-09-24T08:50:18Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > It’s all it about guaranteed Defense. No, it’s about right wing terrorism. Guns don’t defend anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/333 "2019-09-24T11:54:46Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, it’s about right wing terrorism. Your crazy-ass hyperbole might hold water if we were trying to ban lefties from accessing weapons, but, nope, your crazy-ass self can buy guns too if you feel this way. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/334 "2019-09-24T13:13:06Z")
So in a thread lamenting the yokels who will vote to make America a shit-hole because their infatuation with a surrogate penis dominates all their other political “thoughts,” the Trumpists can only talk about Guns, Guns, Guns. Self-awareness isn’t their strong suit. And at least one of the gun nuts [looks at **Annoying**] repeatedly indulges in the “Guns are an American constitutional right because guns are an American constitutional right” tautology. Again, this “thinking” — which might get good marks in kindergarten — was denounced in OP. > [@Annoyed](#): > > But the left can buy guns too and protect themselves from those terrorists and death squads. That’s the beauty of it. Almost every post by **Annoying** reeks of stupidity; I clicked this one almost at random. In fact humans with a generous spirit and a rational brain are much _less_ likely than Trumpnuts and racists to even want guns. If/when the streets of the U.S.A. are fraught with civil strife, the racists, haters and imbeciles will have the firepower advantage. I think **Annoying** will be happy to know this. But instead he pretends to assume that rational and good-spirited people have the same flawed values and cognition as his ilk. > [@anomalous1](#): > > This incumbent won because the electoral college which prevents large population centers from dictating their choices for the rest, worked as intended. This view shows innumeracy and lack of logic; and anyway is NOT what the Founders intended. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/335 "2019-09-24T15:09:16Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > It’s all it about guaranteed Defense. Your hyperbole is exhausting. Criminals don’t care about the law. All you would do is disarm responsible people. > If you dare to bring up mass shootings and the people dying from it, please look into city and gang violence. UCR Data from the FBI. Prohibition works well there, doesn’t it? And it’s not white supremacists or ‘gun nuts’ doing all of that killing. Hypocrisy at its finest. So I guess you’re okay with people getting killed by gang violence in the inner city, as long as they are POC? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/336 "2019-09-24T15:35:40Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > So I guess you’re okay with people getting killed by gang violence in the inner city, as long as they are POC? > :rolleyes: No, the point is that people freak out about body counts, white supremacists, and Republicans, yet ignore leftwing terrorism, their democrat enablers and the fact that both overall murder rates AND mass shootings (as defined by the FBI) are not committed by white people, Republicans, or “the right”. Yet somehow all of this is “the rights” fault, when it’s not. Not even a little. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/337 "2019-09-24T16:32:18Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > No, the point is that people freak out about body counts, white supremacists, and Republicans, yet ignore leftwing terrorism I’m interested in freaking out about leftwing terrorism. Got any specific incidents I can freak out about? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/338 "2019-09-24T17:21:56Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > No, the point is that people … ignore leftwing terrorism … 😕 > [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m interested in freaking out about leftwing terrorism. Got any specific incidents I can freak out about? Are they still upset about the time petite Yvette Felarca shoved a Nazi with her bare hands? Curious to know whether **Annoying** is one of the dunderheads who agreed with his ideological mentor here: > [@Post your unpopular opinions](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-your-unpopular-opinions/806001/165): > > I think Timothy McVeigh’s actions were not an entirely unreasonable reaction to Ruby Ridge and Waco. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/339 "2019-09-24T17:52:31Z")
Look, I recognize that it’s a dangerous world, at least our corner of it. If you want a gun to protect you home, your family, or your business, I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t hunt, but if that’s the way you choose to spend your time, unless you’ve demonstrated an inability to do so safely like, say, Dick Cheney, I have no problem with that. But the ability to throw enough lead in _thirty_ seconds to kill nine people and injure twenty-seven others is not something that should be in the hands of any moron with a pulse. And anybody who thinks otherwise flirts with being in that category themselves. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/340 "2019-09-24T23:14:18Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > So I guess you’re okay with people getting killed by gang violence in the inner city, as long as they are POC? > :rolleyes: _Sigh_ Always the reaching for a racial narrative. I’m actually surprised it took this long for someone to say it. It’s not okay. I was illustrating a point of hypocrisy in regards to firearm restrictions and actual per capita firearm related crimes. Banning only restricts the majority of responsible legal owners whereas criminals are barely affected. Protip: Suggestions and allusions to bigotry and racism in such a sense is akin and almost synonymous with Godwin’s law in principle. You automatically forfeit an argument if you go that route. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=18)