# Will this election also be decided by the perverse American fetish for GUNS? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259 "2019-09-15T09:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/81 "2019-09-16T14:15:42Z")
White people demanding guns to protect themselves from a system of government designed to enrich white people is the definition of America. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/82 "2019-09-16T14:16:06Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Tools for what purpose? How many people die as a consequence of guns being “defensive” tools vs “offensive” tools? > > Citizenry has no business playing pretend soldiers. Grow the fuck up. > > Yeah, but your shouldn’t. Get the point? > > And yet, innocent people (including children) got shot well over 200 times this year alone in mass shootings. Who exactly is doing that if not, “…or anyone else…”? Nitwit. > > More than none at all and nobody expected an overnight result. It’s a generational change. It’s going to take time and things will improve as time passes. That’s the point of all this. Not so that you can wank off about how small of a difference a year or two makes. > > Fuck off some more right now. Some states do maintain records. Some federal agencies do as well. It’s place to start. If laws change requiring registering, records will improve. Quit trying to weasel that since the perfect solution can’t be had then no solution can be had. That’s a lie you tell yourself and others stupid enough to believe it. > > Protection from WHO? I keep asking this question and I have yet to get the answer. Who is coming for you, you paranoid wanker? > > If it comes to that, we’re all fucked. And your AR-15, that gives you so many wet dreams now, will be of absolutely no fucking consequence to you if that day comes, because they’ll kill you first, dumbass. I read stuff like this post and it’s clear to me you want the gov to kill us, wouldn’t care at all, and would probably throw a little party if it happened. And that’s quite twisted. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/83 "2019-09-16T14:33:18Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > I wish there was a constitutional amendment to protect my hobby. That’s all I can think of when I hear gun fetishists going on and on about the second amendment. Instead of repealing the second amendment, we should work towards getting an amendment which prevents the government from impinging on our right to street race. I find cars much more fun than guns. “No officer, you can’t give me a ticket. I was racing, not speeding.” That is a terrible analogy. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/84 "2019-09-16T15:10:41Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yet these issues all pale into insignificance in American politics. Many swing voters emphasize just one issue, the crucial issue, the issue that separates America from the rest of humanity. _ **GUNS!!** _ Then if all those other issues are so important, why the hell can’t the Democratic Party unbend enough to remove just one goddamn plank from their platform that keeps losing them elections? But no, apparently it’s the progressive Left for whom guns are objects imbued with associations: symbolizing the inherent illiberalism of conservatives- as indeed the multiple slurs of the OP demonstrate. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/85 "2019-09-16T15:24:01Z")
I see no evidence that it costs Democrats elections. If you’re a gun nut, you vote ® every single time for every single office. If Elizabeth Warren dressed up like Rambo and posed with an AK47, she’d gain exactly zero votes from gun nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/86 "2019-09-16T15:27:01Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I see no evidence that it costs Democrats elections. Isn’t the entire premise of the OP that it does? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/87 "2019-09-16T15:37:28Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I read stuff like this post and it’s clear to me you want the gov to kill us, wouldn’t care at all, and would probably throw a little party if it happened. > > And that’s quite twisted. Every citizen in every democracy around the world without the benefit of the 2ndA is living paralyzed in fear about their government coming to kill them. Wait. No. Just in the USofA. Maybe the problem isn’t the government, but the psychotically paranoid faction of the electorate. That’s what’s twisted. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/88 "2019-09-16T15:40:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I see no evidence that it costs Democrats elections. If you’re a gun nut, you vote (R) every single time for every single office. If Elizabeth Warren dressed up like Rambo and posed with an AK47, she’d gain exactly zero votes from gun nuts. Probably because people wouldn’t believe her, or any of the others. Dems seem to think you can just take pictures and awkwardly pander and lie and it sells. And Democrats like guns too, bud. It’s as American as apple pie. You think 300++ million firearms are in the hands of the “gun nuts” then you’re bound to keep losing. Which is cool with me. I could write a dem party platform right now for Yang or Tulsi and if the left threw their weight fully behind them, they might actually win. But thankfully they have no plan to do that and your friendly water carrying media doesn’t either. So that’s good. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/89 "2019-09-16T15:52:36Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Probably because people wouldn’t believe her, or any of the others. Dems seem to think you can just take pictures and awkwardly pander and lie and it sells. > > And Democrats like guns too, bud. It’s as American as apple pie. You think 300++ million firearms are in the hands of the “gun nuts” then you’re bound to keep losing. > > Which is cool with me. > > I could write a dem party platform right now for Yang or Tulsi and if the left threw their weight fully behind them, they might actually win. > > But thankfully they have no plan to do that and your friendly water carrying media doesn’t either. > > So that’s good. So your _new and improved_ Democratic Party platform is to sell out cheap to the NRA and gun lobby. Like the GOP has whored it self out for years. Thanks, but no thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/90 "2019-09-16T16:02:03Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > So your _new and improved_ Democratic Party platform is to sell out cheap to the NRA and gun lobby. Like the GOP has whored it self out for years. > > Thanks, but no thanks. Hey, at least the gun lobby and the NRA are actual Americans. Keep up the good work & enjoy Trump. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/91 "2019-09-16T16:11:40Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Hey, at least the gun lobby and the NRA are actual Americans. Keep up the good work & enjoy Trump. Again, no thanks. But clearly you seem to be enjoying Trump. And they said there are some dirty jobs that _real_ Americans won’t do. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/92 "2019-09-16T16:17:30Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Again, no thanks. But clearly you seem to be enjoying Trump. And they said there are some dirty jobs that _real_ Americans won’t do. :rolleyes: You just shit on just about half the electorate, Mr. Inclusive. You’re on your way to being _so_ inclusive that you’ll be all by yourself shouting at the sky before long. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/93 "2019-09-16T16:17:38Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Hey, at least the gun lobby and the NRA are actual Americans. Keep up the good work & enjoy Trump. So are Democrats. You don’t get to decide who are and aren’t “real Americans” asshole. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/94 "2019-09-16T16:28:02Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > You just shit on just about half the electorate, Mr. Inclusive. You’re on your way to being _so_ inclusive that you’ll be all by yourself shouting at the sky before long. Yep. Just me and the other half or so of the electorate. All alone. P.S. that shit all over your nose isn’t mine. We don’t know each other like that. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/95 "2019-09-16T16:45:30Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Then if all those other issues are so important, why the hell can’t the Democratic Party unbend enough to remove just one goddamn plank from their platform that keeps losing them elections? But no, apparently it’s the progressive Left for whom guns are objects imbued with associations: symbolizing the inherent illiberalism of conservatives- as indeed the multiple slurs of the OP demonstrate. I _DO_ agree with you! I really wish the D’s would de-emphasize guns. The guns themselves are a small problem; they just annoy rationalists like myself because they epitomize American stupidity. I wonder if _YOU_ would agree with _ME_? That only strange stupidity could cause someone to treat a possible ban of the AK-47 as more important than the myriads of damage Donald Trump is doing? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/96 "2019-09-16T16:56:11Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I believe there should be some regulation. How can that be? What part of “shall not be infringed” don’t you understand? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/97 "2019-09-16T16:58:52Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > So are Democrats. > > You don’t get to decide who are and aren’t “real Americans” asshole. Too late for that. Seems he already has. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/98 "2019-09-16T17:09:33Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > You just shit on just about half the electorate, Mr. Inclusive. You’re on your way to being _so_ inclusive that you’ll be all by yourself shouting at the sky before long. And you are doing the equivalent of shitting in the middle of the living room floor in a desperate attempt to get people to pay attention to yourself. Your “points” are stale and you got boring fast, so I’m moving on. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/99 "2019-09-16T17:12:08Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Then if all those other issues are so important, why the hell can’t the Democratic Party unbend enough to remove just one goddamn plank from their platform that keeps losing them elections? But no, apparently it’s the progressive Left for whom guns are objects imbued with associations: symbolizing the inherent illiberalism of conservatives- as indeed the multiple slurs of the OP demonstrate. Are you for both sides to quit talking about guns, or just the Democrats? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/100 "2019-09-16T17:18:23Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Probably because people wouldn’t believe her, or any of the others. \*\*\*Dems seem to think you can just take pictures and awkwardly pander and lie and it sells. \*\*\* > > And Democrats like guns too, bud. It’s as American as apple pie. You think 300++ million firearms are in the hands of the “gun nuts” then you’re bound to keep losing. > > Which is cool with me. > > I could write a dem party platform right now for Yang or Tulsi and if the left threw their weight fully behind them, they might actually win. > > But thankfully they have no plan to do that and your friendly water carrying media doesn’t either. > > So that’s good. “Dems seem to think you can just take pictures and awkwardly pander and lie and it sells.” ? “Dems seem to think you can just take pictures and awkwardly pander and lie and it sells.” OK yes he really said that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=6)