# Will this election also be decided by the perverse American fetish for GUNS? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259 "2019-09-15T09:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/161 "2019-09-17T22:59:39Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Being a republic doesn’t make anything conservative or murderously left. The murderous left ideology does that by itself. You’re taking sides with the party who’s leader has relaxed your military’s rules of engagement, expressed a desire have prisoners tortured and their families murdered, and publicly encouraged police violence. It’s foolish to support such things then cry about how what passes for the left in American politics is so murderous. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/162 "2019-09-17T23:08:17Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > You’re taking sides with the party who’s leader has relaxed your military’s rules of engagement, expressed a desire have prisoners tortured and their families murdered, and publicly encouraged police violence. It’s foolish to support such things then cry about how what passes for the left in American politics is so murderous. Why wait? Hey, **Annoyed**! Exactly _which_ leftist ideologies are murderous? Name them! Come on! Put your stupid mouth where your stupid mouth is! ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/163 "2019-09-17T23:34:31Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Why wait? > > Hey, **Annoyed**! Exactly _which_ leftist ideologies are murderous? Name them! Come on! Put your stupid mouth where your stupid mouth is! I’m guessing it’ll be something like, “Since the libruls wan’t all the criminals here, it’s like hiring a murderer with their murderous open immigration.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/164 "2019-09-18T01:43:31Z")
> [@Brayne\_Ded](#): > > Annoyed, you’re the cartoon figure. NRA sub paid up? > > And for all you honest to God gun nuts: target rifles, hunting rifles and shotguns are one thing. They have their uses. Military-grade equipment should be kept to then military. Do please tell me why you need an assault rifle with a 30 round magazine? To defend your home? Against what? You don’t need that sort of firepower to see off an intruder or two. And the availability of such weapons means that inevitably some nut gets hold of one or more and goes on a rampage. > > Any politician calling for all guns to be confiscated can kiss his career goodbye. But the issue is registration. Insist that all guns are registered. Insist that gun owners have permits, and these are only given out if you can be certain that the applicant is not a wild-eyed maniac. That won’t work?True, it won’t work quickly. it also won;t work unless all the states have the same legislation, otherwise you just get cross-border trading. > > A European take on this: the break-up of the Soviet Union meant that a lot of miliitary small arms got loose and complicated the work of the police. The well dressed bank robber no longer has an old revolver or a shotgun, but an AK-47. But, slowly, the number of such guns appears to be being reduced as they get found and confiscated. Don’t expect things to happen overnight. This is true. If the goal is to remove all guns from everyone so that only the police and military have them then yeah. But that’s not the goal, and the second amendment was not written to protect target shooting, hunting, or home defense. It was not written to make the citizens of a republic a weapon of the state to do the states bidding, it was written, like rest of the constitution and its amendments as a safeguard for the people. I hate that massacres happen, and I hate gun crime, but it makes me quite proud that groups like the NRA have so many members that they are larger than any standing army on the planet, and that’s just NRA members. It boggles my mind why some people would want to remove rights from themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/165 "2019-09-18T01:48:33Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > You’re taking sides with the party who’s leader has relaxed your military’s rules of engagement, expressed a desire have prisoners tortured and their families murdered, and publicly encouraged police violence. It’s foolish to support such things then cry about how what passes for the left in American politics is so murderous. I was talking about left vs right, historically. And let me see if I got this shit straight. You guys correlate Republicans with Nazis and every available instance and yet when reminded that leftism has starved & murdered more people throughout history, you get all bent out of shape and pissy. There’s a word for your behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/166 "2019-09-18T14:31:51Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I fear no one because I have the means and the right to defend myself. > > My only fear is losing that right. How many times have you used your guns to defend yourself or someone else? How many times have you been in a situation where you felt like you needed a gun to do so? Just curious. I’ve lived in some dangerous neighborhoods and cities and have never once been afraid or felt like I needed a gun. This is not to say you have had the same life experiences I have. I’m just trying to understand this need you and others have. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/167 "2019-09-18T14:33:54Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I was talking about left vs right, historically. > > And let me see if I got this shit straight. You guys correlate Republicans with Nazis and every available instance and yet when reminded that leftism has starved & murdered more people throughout history, you get all bent out of shape and pissy. > > There’s a word for your behavior. You’re wrong. Capitalism was responsible for colonialism, all of that blood and murder throughout history is on the hands of capitalism. I don’t think you ever addressed that the first time I brought it up. Address it now, or shut the hell up about this, or make it clear to everyone how intellectually bereft you are (everyone for whom this isn’t already abundantly clear). ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/168 "2019-09-18T14:41:03Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s the fact that deranged psychopaths such as yourself exist that motivates the prudent to take reasonable precautions. > > However, I am sympathetic to the idea that perhaps not everyone needs access to rifles that can kill 60 people a minute. Literally no offense intended here, but what the fuck does that mean? Should we be able to own these guns or not? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/169 "2019-09-18T15:31:09Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > When you guys go all deranged hyperbole about guns, it makes me laugh! Keep up the comedic relief This should make you double over with laughter-My nephew was discharged from the Marines right after he was diagnosed with PTSD. He couldn’t get the help he needed from the military because of the incredibly long waiting periods, but do you know what was easy and didn’t take a long time to do? Legally acquiring a gun. He borrowed my brother’s car, pulled over on the Interstate, and self-medicated all the pain and misery he carried. Hey, if that didn’t tickle your funnybone, I could tell you an amusing anecdote about my friend Kirk. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/170 "2019-09-18T15:38:12Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This should make you double over with laughter-My nephew was discharged from the Marines right after he was diagnosed with PTSD. He couldn’t get the help he needed from the military because of the incredibly long waiting periods, but do you know what was easy and didn’t take a long time to do? Legally acquiring a gun. He borrowed my brother’s car, pulled over on the Interstate, and self-medicated all the pain and misery he carried. > Hey, if that didn’t tickle your funnybone, I could tell you an amusing anecdote about my friend Kirk. That’s a horrible, terrible shame and an embarrassment to the country that we can’t give people who served the care they need. It’s not the guns fault though. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/171 "2019-09-18T15:46:43Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > You’re wrong. Capitalism was responsible for colonialism, all of that blood and murder throughout history is on the hands of capitalism. I don’t think you ever addressed that the first time I brought it up. Address it now, or shut the hell up about this, or make it clear to everyone how intellectually bereft you are (everyone for whom this isn’t already abundantly clear). I didn’t answer it because it was so stupid I didn’t feel it deserved my time. The view is only shared by an insignificant fringe of weirdos with a guilt complex. The next step in this line of thinking is blaming white people. These events are both not what you are trying to portray them as, and so far detached from one another that trying to link them together and pin it on your hated political side is nothing but asinine. So no, I’ll never shut the hell up about this, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/172 "2019-09-18T15:47:24Z")
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**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/173 "2019-09-18T15:49:08Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I didn’t answer it because it was so stupid I didn’t feel it deserved my time. The view is only shared by an insignificant fringe of weirdos with a guilt complex. The next step in this line of thinking is blaming white people. > > These events are both not what you are trying to portray them as, and so far detached from one another that trying to link them together and pin it on your hated political side is nothing but asinine. > > So no, I’ll never shut the hell up about this, thanks. You are the one that has been blaming people today on your hated political side for things that happened in the past by totally different and unrelated people. I’m pointing out how stupid you are. You utterly failed to grasp the point. You pollute this forum and you are a complete waste of all of our time. Fuck off moron. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/174 "2019-09-18T15:50:55Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > How many times have you used your guns to defend yourself or someone else? How many times have you been in a situation where you felt like you needed a gun to do so? Just curious. I’ve lived in some dangerous neighborhoods and cities and have never once been afraid or felt like I needed a gun. This is not to say you have had the same life experiences I have. I’m just trying to understand this need you and others have. What does it matter? One has to wait to be exposed to horrible violence first before deserving to utilize the right to a gun? It’s a tool, just like any other, kept in service and hopefully never needing to be used. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/175 "2019-09-18T15:50:58Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > That’s a horrible, terrible shame and an embarrassment to the country that we can’t give people who served the care they need. > > It’s not the guns fault though. No matter how many times you deliberately misrepresent what is being said here, it is understood by those without a pro-gun agenda that the gun itself isn’t being blamed, it is the mind-numbingly simple and easy access, the fear-mongering and the notion promoted by you assholes that guns are an easy solution. You can take your false concern and shove it up your ass right next to your thick skull. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/176 "2019-09-18T15:58:29Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > You are the one that has been blaming people today on your hated political side for things that happened in the past by totally different and unrelated people. I’m pointing out how stupid you are. You utterly failed to grasp the point. You pollute this forum and you are a complete waste of all of our time. > > Fuck off moron. Nice meltdown. You’re the one with dumbass, fringe positions. Not me, bud. And I like how you were so pissed off that you fucked up your first post, angrily hit submit, deleted it in a rage, then came back to furiously hammer out a post that you felt properly articulated how much you want me to fuck off. Which I will not be doing, not even a little bit. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/177 "2019-09-18T16:00:26Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Nice meltdown. > > You’re the one with dumbass, fringe positions. Not me, bud. > > And I like how you were so pissed off that you fucked up your first post, angrily hit submit, deleted it in a rage, then came back to furiously hammer out a post that you felt properly articulated how much you want me to fuck off. > > Which I will not be doing, not even a little bit. Are you here for any other reason than to piss people off? ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/178 "2019-09-18T16:02:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No matter how many times you deliberately misrepresent what is being said here, it is understood by those without a pro-gun agenda that the gun itself isn’t being blamed, it is the mind-numbingly simple and easy access, the fear-mongering and the notion promoted by you assholes that guns are an easy solution. You can take your false concern and shove it up your ass right next to your thick skull. None of those problems you made up were the reason that man killed himself. Sooooo, who’s “misrepresenting” shit now? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/179 "2019-09-18T16:04:15Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Nice meltdown. > > You’re the one with dumbass, fringe positions. Not me, bud. > > And I like how you were so pissed off that you fucked up your first post, angrily hit submit, deleted it in a rage, then came back to furiously hammer out a post that you felt properly articulated how much you want me to fuck off. > > Which I will not be doing, not even a little bit. This is the pit moron. It’s not melting down to tell someone to fuck off when they are being a moron. Moron. That wasn’t my position, it was a way to show you how idiotic your claims about the left are by highlighting that. You have completely failed to understand the point. Completely, utterly, embarrassingly. I am not angry, or furious, or whatever other words you want to throw at me rather than actually trying to do some thinking in order to understand how moronic your posts are. This is the pit, this is how this forum works. If you can’t handle it then fuck off. Crying about it isn’t going to get you anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259/180 "2019-09-18T16:05:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are you here for any other reason than to piss people off? I’m sorry, I’m posting my opinion as I view it and get told to fuck off and called a moron, reply in kind with equal proportion to the attack, and I’m the one pissing people off? Hell of a take. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-election-also-be-decided-by-the-perverse-american-fetish-for-guns/840259.md?page=10)