# Will this offensive ad by a Hispanic group hurt or help Trump more? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 5, 2015, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698 "2015-11-05T12:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/21 "2015-11-05T14:27:58Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > While I have commented on children be used as political puppets for their parents, I don’t recall a single instance where they were doing it to represent those specific cultures, do you? Well, starting a discussion by calling that “the wonderful Hispanic culture” is right away a misrepresentation and poisoning of the well, in reality many do agree with the sentiment against trump but not with the way this PAC is doing it. > **[We Just Watched Latino Kids Curse Out Donald Trump - Latino Rebels](https://www.latinorebels.com/2015/11/04/we-just-watched-latino-kids-curse-out-donald-trump/)** > > Kids cursing at Trump is an acquired taste: like sushi or Ikea furniture, but a new viral video from a group known for potty-mouthed clips is getting attention on our social feeds. > [@](#): > > We get the Trump anger, but having child actors hurl profanities? Best strategy? Really? Indeed, just a perfect example of nutpicking that the right wing does, it is good to put down moves like this, but it is clear that the spin is to assign this clumsy and self interested effort to all Hispanics that oppose Trump. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/22 "2015-11-05T14:28:49Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > What is the connection to “Hispanic culture” here? > > Does this video speak for, or reflect on, “Hispanic culture” _in toto_? See my previous posts. In this instance the people in the video are ostensibly speaking for the Hispanic community. The degree to which that is the case is the degree to which they are speaking for the Hispanic culture. Whatever degree that is. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/23 "2015-11-05T14:31:10Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > See my previous posts. In this instance the people in the video are ostensibly speaking for the Hispanic community. The degree to which that is the case is the degree to which they are speaking for the Hispanic culture. Whatever degree that is. Nutpicking again, as even more liberal groups from the Hispanics can tell you, they are not speaking for all. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/24 "2015-11-05T14:32:55Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, please. You think I think the ENTIRE Hispanic culture agrees with this disgusting example of a sad tactic? No, I don’t. It was clear from your OP that you were pissed off about the cited ad in particular, not about Hispanics in general. Which is why I was rather surprised and repulsed that you chose a thread title that gratuitously and irrelevantly attributed this “sad tactic” to “Hispanic culture” in general and unqualified, with a bonus sneering reference to its “wonderfulness”. Why not clean up the unintended mess by requesting a mod to change your thread title to something more on-point for your actual topic, such as “An Offensive Attack Ad From Anti-Trump Latinos” or something like that? And while you’re at it, maybe you could also request that the thread be moved to the Pit, since you seem to have started it pretty much just to complain about this ad. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/25 "2015-11-05T14:43:11Z")
> [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > Your feelings about what language is proper for children to use have a lot to do with your politics. From what I’ve seen, it’s mostly conservatives who are really bothered by kids swearing. Not me, nor my wife. By any measurement I’d be described as a liberal and I hate hearing kids swear in such situations. I’d be pretty judgemental about parents who encouraged their kids to use that language in that situation (and moreso that they seem proud enough of it to post in social media) I don’t swear in front of my kids or anyone elses. Simple good manners. Kids need to learn that words have power and if you use them all the time then you are left without a “cunt” up your sleeve for when you really need it (like just them). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/26 "2015-11-05T14:46:39Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > One of these days, the Latinos are going to realize Trump is on their side! He loves the Hispanic people and they love him, [he keeps insisting](http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/nation/politics/2015/07/23/hispanics-love-trump-declares-mexican-border/30588983/). They do such a \*great \*job cleaning the rooms at his hotels. What would he do without them? Oh, that wall thing … And the rapists thing … And the drug dealers thing … ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/27 "2015-11-05T14:50:32Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > No, I don’t. It was clear from your OP that you were pissed off about the cited ad in particular, not about Hispanics in general. Which is why I was rather surprised and repulsed that you chose a thread title that gratuitously and irrelevantly attributed this “sad tactic” to “Hispanic culture” in general and unqualified, with a bonus sneering reference to its “wonderfulness”. > > Why not clean up the unintended mess by requesting a mod to change your thread title to something more on-point for your actual topic, such as “An Offensive Attack Ad From Anti-Trump Latinos” or something like that? > > And while you’re at it, maybe you could also request that the thread be moved to the Pit, since you seem to have started it pretty much just to complain about this ad. I’m interested in the debate I posed. But I do think your other suggestion is a good one: Could a Mod please change this thread title to “Will this offensive ad by a Hispanic group hurt or help Trump more?” I’m also contacting a mod directly to do this. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/28 "2015-11-05T14:53:12Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nutpicking again, as even more liberal groups from the Hispanics can tell you, they are not speaking for all. Perhaps you didn’t read what you quoted: [QUOTE=magellan01] See my previous posts. In this instance the people in the video are ostensibly speaking for the Hispanic community. **The degree to which that is the case is the degree to which they are speaking for the Hispanic culture. Whatever degree that is.** [/QUOTE] Emphasis added. For, you know, emphasis. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/29 "2015-11-05T14:55:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Thoughts? If it were me, I’d have called him a pendejo a few times as well, to really bring home the hispanic culture.If you like I could re-script the whole thing to really show some hispanic culture to you. 😛 > [@](#): > > As I’ve stated other times on this board, I think it’s disgusting when adults use children as political tools. But the language they put in these kids; mouths ratchets that disgust up to a new level, for me. The language is not anything adults should encourage kids to be using. This has nothing to do with my politics (conservative leaning Independent. If kids were being used in the same manner to rail against Clinton or Sanders, I’d find it 100% equally disgusting. How do you know those kids had those words put in their mouths? I’ll tell you that my own relatives don’t have a very high opinion of Trump, and kids that age certainly know what those words mean, use them among themselves and hear their parents talk about these things. While I expect my own kids to show more respect in public or when we have guests over I’m under no delusion that they don’t know those words or use them. _shrug_ I thought the video was pretty funny, to be honest. It’s certainly no reflection on ‘wonderful Hispanic culture’ however, and the fact that you would make that connection (tenuous as it is) is kind of strange…at least wrt a response in GD. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/30 "2015-11-05T15:06:55Z")
Nah, I think kids should curse more. Maybe if they used them often enough, elegant ladies would get over it and be able to move from the immediate vicinity of their fainting couches. And this little slice of wonder bread knew how to curse just fine by the time he was their age, thankya. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/31 "2015-11-05T15:11:50Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Perhaps you didn’t read what you quoted: > > Emphasis added. For, you know, emphasis. And your condescension for a Hispanic (me) does show where are you coming from, of course I did read it; but I also can use the internet and see where your spin is coming from. It is clear that my point stands: “Indeed, just a perfect example of nutpicking that the right wing does, **it is good to put down moves like this** , but it is clear that the spin is to assign this clumsy and self interested effort to all Hispanics that oppose Trump.” Emphasis on the part you missed that shows that I also did agree with what you emphasized (that it looks more like a fig leaf now when one looks at the context), but I’m also saying something else too, besides noticing your poisoning of the well from the start. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/32 "2015-11-05T15:32:04Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > See my previous posts. In this instance the people in the video are ostensibly speaking for the Hispanic community. The degree to which that is the case is the degree to which they are speaking for the Hispanic culture. Whatever degree that is. Unless you have evidence that this degree is very high, I don’t see why you’d want to attribute it to an entire culture. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/33 "2015-11-05T15:41:52Z")
> [@XT](#): > > If it were me, I’d have called him a pendejo a few times as well… If you watched the video, you’d know that they did. For those who might be interested, the video has the kids “speaking”, but you can tell it’s a voice-over dubbing, not the kids talking. And there are subtitles in Spanish. I give it a 1 on the “meh” meter\*. Pretty stupid, but harmless and nothing out of the ordinary for a political season (is it ever NOT a political season in the US now). Plus, it only has about 100,000 views, so it’s hardly “making it’s way around the internet”. - 0 = yawn, 10 = meh ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/34 "2015-11-05T15:46:52Z")
I am a little amused at the thought that a crude video might push people to vote for a dude whose entire campaign (not to mention business career) is based around bad taste. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/35 "2015-11-05T15:47:59Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If you watched the video, you’d know that they did. > > For those who might be interested, the video has the kids “speaking”, but you can tell it’s a voice-over dubbing, not the kids talking. And there are subtitles in Spanish. > > I give it a 1 on the “meh” meter\*. Pretty stupid, but harmless and nothing out of the ordinary for a political season (is it ever NOT a political season in the US now). Plus, it only has about 100,000 views, so it’s hardly “making it’s way around the internet”. > > - 0 = yawn, 10 = meh Well, you got me…I only watched the first couple seconds since I’m at work and it started off with (to paraphrase from memory) ‘Fuck you Donald Trump, you racist fuck!’…at that point I figured it was prudent to shut it down until tonight. 😛 If you are right that it’s dubbed, it’s even more a meh than before. Glad they called him a pendejo though…that makes me feel better about it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/36 "2015-11-05T15:48:53Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If you watched the video, you’d know that they did. > > For those who might be interested, the video has the kids “speaking”, but you can tell it’s a voice-over dubbing, not the kids talking. And there are subtitles in Spanish. > > I give it a 1 on the “meh” meter\*. Pretty stupid, but harmless and nothing out of the ordinary for a political season (is it ever NOT a political season in the US now). Plus, it only has about 100,000 views, so it’s hardly “making it’s way around the internet”. > > - 0 = yawn, 10 = meh That is “making it’s way around the internet” is courtesy of very conservative sites, that indeed are just dedicated to the relentless pursuit of the nutpick to outrage their readers and viewers. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/37 "2015-11-05T15:49:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Unless you have evidence that this degree is very high, I don’t see why you’d want to attribute it to an entire culture. I think you do. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/38 "2015-11-05T15:52:11Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > In this instance the people in the video are ostensibly speaking for the Hispanic community. So fucking what?:mad: I could make a video claiming to speak for all 54 yr old, gay, atheist, white, morbidly obese, mentally ill men living in San Francisco and it doesn’t mean a fucking thing. Oh, this video will make zero difference in the election. By next November there will no doubt be tens of thousands of videos about the candidates for President, some funny, some thoughtful, but most will be stupid & idiotic. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/39 "2015-11-05T15:55:08Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Well, you got me…I only watched the first couple seconds since I’m at work and it started off with (to paraphrase from memory) ‘Fuck you Donald Trump, you racist fuck!’…at that point I figured it was prudent to shut it down until tonight. 😛 If you are right that it’s dubbed, it’s even more a meh than before. > > Glad they called him a pendejo though…that makes me feel better about it. Sorry, I didn’t mean for that sound so snarky. It’s not surprising that most people are not going to actually watch the video (it’s really stupid), so I just wanted to point out that they did have that base covered! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/40 "2015-11-05T16:00:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Unless you have evidence that this degree is very high, I don’t see why you’d want to attribute it to an entire culture. Which I did not do, if you would read the OP. Granted, I see how the title could mislead (which is why I’ve asked a mod to change it), but those aren’t the only words on the OP. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698.md?page=3)