# Will this offensive ad by a Hispanic group hurt or help Trump more? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 5, 2015, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698 "2015-11-05T12:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/41 "2015-11-05T16:02:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I give it a 1 on the “meh” meter\*. Pretty stupid, but harmless and nothing out of the ordinary for a political season (is it ever NOT a political season in the US now) (emphasis mine) In which case you won’t have any trouble showing a few examples of other videos you feel are similar. I’d love to see them. I can’t recall seeing anything like this. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/42 "2015-11-05T16:06:07Z")
> [@Foggy](#): > > So fucking what?:mad: > > I could make a video claiming to speak for all 54 yr old, gay, atheist, white, morbidly obese, mentally ill men living in San Francisco and it doesn’t mean a fucking thing. > Oh, this video will make zero difference in the election. By next November there will no doubt be tens of thousands of videos about the candidates for President, some funny, some thoughtful, but most will be stupid & idiotic. :mad: I have no doubt there will be plenty of stupid videos and plenty of incidents of kids used as props, maybe even puppets. But I doubt we’ll see many (any?) as crass as this is both language and abusive of children. Yes, I think having kids do things like this is abusive. ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/43 "2015-11-05T16:07:10Z")
> [@XT](#): > > How do you know those kids had those words put in their mouths? I’ll tell you that my own relatives don’t have a very high opinion of Trump, and kids that age certainly know what those words mean, use them among themselves and hear their parents talk about these things. While I expect my own kids to show more respect in public or when we have guests over I’m under no delusion that they don’t know those words or use them. The video is obscene, stupid, and nasty. Donald Trump is also obscene, stupid, and nasty. Why sink to his level? Why encourage kids to sink to his level? We should all remain above his level and also raise our children that way. Not the first time small children have been exploited for such a pathetic publicity stunt either: > **[Watch Little Princesses Curse for the Feminist Cause](https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/10/watch-little-girls-swear-for-feminism-fckh8-ad-girls-dress-in-princess-costumes-and-curse-about-pay-inequality.html)** > > “What is more offensive? A little girl saying ‘fuck’ or the fucking unequal and sexist way society treats girls and women?” That is the premise of a... I think that saying that 6-year-olds know profanity is not always true and misses the point. Kids that age don’t talk about political candidates or recite phony statistics about gender inequality unless adults make them do it. Children deserve better than to be exploited for this sort of vulgar idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/44 "2015-11-05T16:26:42Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > Not the first time small children have been exploited for such a pathetic publicity stunt either: > [Watch little girls swear for feminism: FCKH8 ad girls dress in princess costumes and curse about pay inequality.](http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/10/23/watch_little_girls_swear_for_feminism_fckh8_ad_girls_dress_in_princess_costumes.html) That’s fucked up on many levels. And I condemn it, as well. But at least there is purpose to the use of “fuck”. It’s central to the idea. Still, fuck their parents for letting/encouraging them to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/45 "2015-11-05T16:40:38Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > “Will this offensive ad by a Hispanic group hurt or help Trump more?” Only a complete fucking idiot would think the language in this video will affect Mr. Trump’s chances in any way whatsoever. Few people will see it, fewer still will give a shit, and whatever outrage will be generated along the way won’t change anyone’s view of Mr. Trump in any meaningful way. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/46 "2015-11-05T17:06:36Z")
I could not help but chortle when reading the OP, for its Helen Lovejoy-esque 1990s suburbanite hausfrau moralism was far more fitting for supporters of a low energy loser Koch cuck candidates like Jib Jeb Bush and Yawn Kasich then TRUMP. Do you really think a Nietschzean Overman like TRUMP is going to get triggered by some mestizo pre-pubescents using a few four-letter words? Likewise, the last thing TRUMP needs is some faux-outraged/triggered bourgeoisie cuckservatives hijacking his campaign anymore than Bernie Sanders needs neon-coloured transkin womyn Tumblrinas hijacking his campaign. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/47 "2015-11-05T17:17:38Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Which I did not do, if you would read the OP. Granted, I see how the title could mislead (which is why I’ve asked a mod to change it), but those aren’t the only words on the OP. Fair enough, and good for you. But I have to ask: what were you thinking? It seems obvious to me that it’s unfair to attribute a single video to an entire culture. Not a huge deal, but maybe this is one those iiandyiiii-trademarked opportunities to improve yourself. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/48 "2015-11-05T17:18:54Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Some Latinos, the law-abiding ones with good morals who think that 1) kids shouldn’t be used as political tools and 2) that shouldn’t be encouraged to curse, yes. Hey, I’m law abiding with good morals, and I don’t find anything remotely inappropriate about that video! Little kids swearing is hilarious and harmless fun. And Trump really is a pendejo. I don’t see the problem. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/49 "2015-11-05T17:23:43Z")
I don’t know what to make of the commercial. Trump is under attack from pro-illegal immigration groups. He hasn’t said anything negative about legal immigrants. If you listen to him he’s actually a pro-amnesty guy. But he has pissed off the political representatives of the Hispanic community (whether that representation is wanted or not). It really doesn’t matter because even Marco Rubio is not getting strong support from Hispanics because he is a Republican. The best the GOP can do with any candidate is reduce the Hispanic turnout for the Democratic candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/50 "2015-11-05T17:30:47Z")
Some angry people made an angry video. I’m okay with it. I don’t think anyone will be \*more \*likely to vote for Trump as a result, even if they were offended by this. > [@](#): > > “Will this offensive ad by a Hispanic group hurt or help Trump more?” I think what you’re getting at is that this ad, which you think shows a lack of class by the Hispanic group that produced it, will increase anti-immigrant sentiment and therefore fuel support for Trump. Don’t you think Trump has the racist vote already locked up? Are there really some Republican voters out there who are thinking “I was on the fence about the immigrant bashing, but after seeing this offensive ad, I think Trump is on to something here.” ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/51 "2015-11-05T17:37:43Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > This may be true, but I fail to remember threads you’ve started titled “The wonderful WASP culture,” or, “The wonderful Christian culture.” Why “The wonderful Christian culture.”? Aren’t Latinos Christian? Maybe you meant Protestant? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/52 "2015-11-05T17:40:04Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Why “The wonderful Christian culture.”? Aren’t Latinos Christian? Maybe you meant Protestant? That isn’t the point although I might add there are lots of Latino Protestants these days. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/53 "2015-11-05T18:23:33Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I could not help but chortle when reading the OP, for its Helen Lovejoy-esque 1990s suburbanite hausfrau moralism was far more fitting for supporters of a low energy loser Koch cuck candidates like Jib Jeb Bush and Yawn Kasich then TRUMP. Do you really think a Nietschzean Overman like TRUMP is going to get triggered by some mestizo pre-pubescents using a few four-letter words? Likewise, the last thing TRUMP needs is some faux-outraged/triggered bourgeoisie cuckservatives hijacking his campaign anymore than Bernie Sanders needs neon-coloured transkin womyn Tumblrinas hijacking his campaign. Are you having a stroke? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/54 "2015-11-05T18:56:11Z")
I can’t watch the video right now, but are these kids who supposedly represent “Hispanic culture” actually speaking Spanish or English? If they’re speaking English and it seems to be their preferred language then it seems pretty silly to say they’re representative of “Hispanic culture”. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/55 "2015-11-05T19:01:15Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Why “The wonderful Christian culture.”? Aren’t Latinos Christian? Maybe you meant Protestant? Actually something like 30% of all American Latinos are Protestant. For a number of reasons, the Pentacostals have been quite successful in recruiting. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/56 "2015-11-05T19:08:16Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I can’t watch the video right now, but are these kids who supposedly represent “Hispanic culture” actually speaking Spanish or English? > > If they’re speaking English and it seems to be their preferred language then it seems pretty silly to say they’re representative of “Hispanic culture”. I only watched the first part of it, but they were speaking English. However, a lot of 2nd and 3rd generation hispanics in the US don’t speak much or any Spanish…my own kids don’t speak a word of Spanish nor have an accent. Whether they were speaking Spanish, English or whatever, they certainly weren’t representative of any ‘wonderful Hispanic culture’, and I still don’t have any idea where the OP pulled that out of…but wherever it was pulled out of, it smells, so I have my suspicions. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/57 "2015-11-05T19:37:07Z")
I don’t want my kids learning language from Trump either, so there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/58 "2015-11-05T20:08:48Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I have no doubt there will be plenty of stupid videos and plenty of incidents of kids used as props, maybe even puppets. But I doubt we’ll see many (any?) as crass as this is both language and abusive of children. Yes, I think having kids do things like this is abusive. Again, so fucking what? > [@magellan01](#): > > So, aside from the underlying question of whether kids should be used in this manner, … Your words from the OP, so lets forget about the fucking kids. > [@](#): > > …will this hurt Trump? Or help him? It will have no effect at all. That was the only question you had in the OP. > [@](#): > > The wonderful Hispanic culture… This is just dumb & stupid. > [@magellan01](#): > > They’re attempting to speak for all Hispanics. Last time: **“So FUCKING what?”** Anybody can claim to speak for all [fill in the blank], doesn’t mean shit. :mad::mad::smack: I think my meds need adjusting. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/59 "2015-11-05T20:48:55Z")
The title “The wonderful Hispanic culture…” explains a great deal of the OP’s sensitivities about ouchy nouns. > [@XT](#): > > Whether they were speaking Spanish, English or whatever, they certainly weren’t representative of any ‘wonderful Hispanic culture’, and I still don’t have any idea where the OP pulled that out of…but wherever it was pulled out of, it smells, so I have my suspicions. it is interesting… ---
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> [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > Your feelings about what language is proper for children to use have a lot to do with your politics. From what I’ve seen, it’s mostly conservatives who are really bothered by kids swearing. It’s not about how the goofy left-right axis it’s an indicator on the trashy-classy axis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698.md?page=4)