# Will this offensive ad by a Hispanic group hurt or help Trump more? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 5, 2015, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698 "2015-11-05T12:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/61 "2015-11-05T21:13:20Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Why “The wonderful Christian culture.”? Aren’t Latinos Christian? Maybe you meant Protestant? If Christians are using their children as props in political theater, then the OP should start a thread entitled “The wonderful Christian culture.” It doesn’t matter that the political theater is not supported by all Christians, or that it is not an accurate reflection of Christian culture in general. You know, just like he did here with Hispanic. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/62 "2015-11-05T22:28:05Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s not about how the goofy left-right axis it’s an indicator on the trashy-classy axis. Foul language in general, or from kids? Jes’ wondering, since I know you consider swearing appropriate in some cases. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/63 "2015-11-05T22:49:16Z")
Disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/64 "2015-11-05T23:15:26Z")
“The wonderful Hispanic culture…” Nice. And I mean that sarcastically. Great title for a debate. If the mods do change that ridiculous title, I hope they add the edit in brackets, and leave the original one there. “Debate”, my ass. Oh, this really is a debate? My position, then: I didn’t watch the video, but I agree that Hispanic culture is wonderful. ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/65 "2015-11-05T23:22:17Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > My position, then: I didn’t watch the video, but I agree that Hispanic culture is wonderful. Seconded. I live a stone’s throw from East LA, and I love it. I’ve never had any problem with Latinos as a group and they’ve never had any problem with me. Los Angeles would be a completely different city (down to the name) without them, and IMO a lesser one. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/66 "2015-11-06T00:21:49Z")
> [@XT](#): > > I only watched the first part of it, but they were speaking English. However, a lot of 2nd and 3rd generation hispanics in the US don’t speak much or any Spanish…my own kids don’t speak a word of Spanish nor have an accent. > > Whether they were speaking Spanish, English or whatever, they certainly weren’t representative of any ‘wonderful Hispanic culture’, and I still don’t have any idea where the OP pulled that out of…but wherever it was pulled out of, it smells, so I have my suspicions. Just to be clear, the language was English, but it was dubbed. It was not actually the kids speaking. Probably to get around having a 6-year-old actually say “fuck”. Having said that, the kids state that they were born in the US and are citizens, so most likely they speak English as well as any kids their age. And I’d be willing bet any amount that your kids speak at least one word of Spanish. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/67 "2015-11-06T04:41:27Z")
The ad is funny and I feel no concern for the OP’s concerns. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/68 "2015-11-06T07:45:05Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Foul language in general, or from kids? > > Jes’ wondering, since I know you consider swearing appropriate in some cases. Parents tolerating kids saying it in social settings. Kids running around stub toe and say “damn” I have no issue with. Step in a fire ant nest and say “oh shit!” no issue with. But casual swearing in conversation when you are out and about reflects poorly, imo, of child rearing skills. Eventually that child might be looking for a job and if he is swearing as a child I wonder what other social norms/mores that this child has failed to internalize. Ever since I have had kids my thoughts on acceptable language and imagery with regards to appropriateness for audience has been much more on the when in doubt be more conservative side. With regards to adults swearing. My favorite comedies are raunchy like Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle so I don’t have a problem with profanity in general. I think it can be a poor reflection depending on the audience you are communicating with. So, generally I try to keep my dialogue in professional company, social company, and even online company slightly to the more restrained side of language use. I mean if I write “Hillary Clinton is a bitch, don’t vote for her” is that going to convince a single person? No. It might actually be counterproductive because it gives evidence to those who may be on the fence that the supporters of the opposition are misogynists. How would that help? I do advocate for very liberal policies with regards to what people should be able to express. I don’t think it’s the role of government or other institutions to dictate thought, speech, or press. I think it’s vital that the concept of individual, intrinsic, human rights is promoted. I think it’s vital that that concept is promoted above any other. Even above rights to equality of outcome and to some degree life. Because those freedoms enable society to flourish at a high level. Sorry for the rambles, it’s sort of complex. Cliff notes: I think kids swearing, especially in front of adults or out in public is a symptom of a style of parenting that does the children a grave disservice. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/69 "2015-11-06T11:56:40Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Parents tolerating kids saying it in social settings. Kids running around stub toe and say “damn” I have no issue with. Step in a fire ant nest and say “oh shit!” no issue with. But casual swearing in conversation when you are out and about reflects poorly, imo, of child rearing skills. Eventually that child might be looking for a job and if he is swearing as a child I wonder what other social norms/mores that this child has failed to internalize. Ever since I have had kids my thoughts on acceptable language and imagery with regards to appropriateness for audience has been much more on the when in doubt be more conservative side. The idea–promoted more by magellan than by you–that encouraging your children to swear is “child abuse” is ludicrous. My own kids I teach the difference between public and private speech, and I guarandamntee you that kids growing up in minority households in the US learn to codeswitch. In this case, the kids are swearing intentionally, for a very specific purpose. It’s bizarre that anyone can get worked up about this. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/70 "2015-11-06T12:03:36Z")
Instead of one adult-one vote, we need to administer blood tests to determine the voter’s level of resentment. Perhaps a specific type of norepinephrine metric, which, at higher levels, will be accorded higher voting power. Of course, in practice we already have this. It’s called civil war. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/71 "2015-11-06T12:06:15Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > If Christians are using their children as props in political theater, then the OP should start a thread entitled “The wonderful Christian culture.” It doesn’t matter that the political theater is not supported by all Christians, or that it is not an accurate reflection of Christian culture in general. You know, just like he did here with Hispanic. It wouldn’t be enough for Christians to be using their children as props, they’d have to be using them in a way that advocates for something that has to do with Christians specifically. As opposed to an issue, like say gun control or abortion, which is much broader. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/72 "2015-11-06T12:16:57Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Some angry people made an angry video. I’m okay with it. I don’t think anyone will be \*more \*likely to vote for Trump as a result, even if they were offended by this. > > I think what you’re getting at is that this ad, which you think shows a lack of class by the Hispanic group that produced it, will increase anti-immigrant sentiment and therefore fuel support for Trump. Don’t you think Trump has the racist vote already locked up? Are there really some Republican voters out there who are thinking “I was on the fence about the immigrant bashing, but after seeing this offensive ad, I think Trump is on to something here.” The group I think it will have the largest effect on is Independent Hispanics. Particularly parents who embrace the American dream, and America, and want it for their kids. I think they’d be angry that this video was made, as it doesn’t portray Hispanics well, as it attempts to speak for them. It’s crass, shows bad parenting, and exploits children. Now, not everyone will agree with those assessments, but I’m sure some will. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/73 "2015-11-06T12:24:14Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Particularly parents who embrace the American dream, and America, and want it for their kids. You mean like the people who made the video? Watch it again, and you’ll find that between all those four-letters words, the vid makes a big deal out of the fact that these kids are Americans, that they love America, that they love the Constitution - etc., etc. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/74 "2015-11-06T12:26:43Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > You mean like the people who made the video? Watch it again, and you’ll find that between all those four-letters words, the vid makes a big deal out of the fact that these kids are Americans, that they love America, that they love the Constitution - etc., etc. I doubt they’re Independents. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/75 "2015-11-06T13:18:33Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The group I think it will have the largest effect on is Independent Hispanics. Particularly parents who embrace the American dream, and America, and want it for their kids. I think they’d be angry that this video was made, as it doesn’t portray Hispanics well, as it attempts to speak for them. It’s crass, shows bad parenting, and exploits children. Now, not everyone will agree with those assessments, but I’m sure some will. “I can’t believe those other Hispanics portray Hispanics like me so poorly! I’ll show them–I’m going to vote for Trump, who portrays Hispanics like me so much better!” Is this what you’re expecting? ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/76 "2015-11-06T13:34:15Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I doubt they’re Independents. But you _don’t_ doubt that they “embrace the American dream, and America, and want it for their kids”? Anyway, how do you figure that outrage over this video among Independent Hispanic will lead them towards supporting Mr. Trump? 1. “Swearing children in a political ad? What an outrage!” 2. ??? 3. “Trump 2016!” What is step 2? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/77 "2015-11-06T13:57:05Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > But you _don’t_ doubt that they “embrace the American dream, and America, and want it for their kids”? > > Anyway, how do you figure that outrage over this video among Independent Hispanic will lead them towards supporting Mr. Trump? > > 1. “Swearing children in a political ad? What an outrage!” > 2. ??? > 3. “Trump 2016!” > > What is step 2? Step 2 is the assessment of what they really want in life for themselves and their children. Is that picture more closely aligned with the things that Trump stands for—success, jobs, the rule of law—or more aligned with people who exploit children and put foul language into their mouths in order to _stupidly_ make a political point? I think quite a few will come out on the side of what Trump stands for as opposed to crass points made in a disgusting video. It’s also true that not all Hispanics agree with the left on border policies. Many people who came here legally see no reason to reward those who broke the law to get here. Also, here’s what Rubio had to say about the video: > [@](#): > > Florida Sen. Marco Rubio had even harsher words for the parents of the children who participated in the ad, which he called “outrageous” in an interview on “Fox and Friends.” > “First of all, it’s counterproductive. Who do these groups think they’re impressing by doing this?” Rubio asked. “They’re not bringing anybody to their side. They’re turning people off. People are looking at it and say, these people are grotesque. I mean these are little children. What kind of parent allows their children to go on a video like that and use that kind of profanity and what kind of parents allow a kid to do that?” ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/78 "2015-11-06T14:00:41Z")
Also, I think plenty of Hispanics, Independent and otherwise, would like policies in place to avoid [stuff like this happening:](http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/11/05/6x-deported-illegal-alien-captured-hit-run-witness/) > [@](#): > > A man allegedly involved in a deadly hit-and-run accident this week was previously deported six times from the United States and had been convicted on drug charges, Breitbart News has learned. > > Ramon Horta-Jaime was arrested Tuesday after allegedly hitting and killing a man with his vehicle in Santa Ana while under the influence and with a suspended license. > > A witness says he saw Horta-Jaime driving away after hitting Marcello Bisarello with his vehicle. The witness captured the driver just a few blocks down the road. Horta–who, according to police, has a prior DUI conviction–was under the influence and without a valid driver’s license, NBC 4 local news reported. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/79 "2015-11-06T14:06:10Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Step 2 is the assessment of what they really want in life for themselves and their children. Is that picture more closely aligned with the things that Trump stands for—success, jobs, the rule of law—or more aligned with people who exploit children and put foul language into their mouths in order to _stupidly_ make a political point? > > I think quite a few will come out on the side of what Trump stands for as opposed to crass points made in a disgusting video. It’s also true that not all Hispanics agree with the left on border policies. Many people who came here legally see no reason to reward those who broke the law to get here. > > Also, here’s what Rubio had to say about the video: I think the major disagreement will be on what Trump stands for. I doubt more than a very small percentage think he stands for “success, jobs, the rule of law”… based on his very low favorables with Hispanics, I think to many of them he may stand for bigotry and buffoonery. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698/80 "2015-11-06T14:43:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > …the things that Trump stands for—success, jobs, the rule of law… Please tell me you’re joking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-this-offensive-ad-by-a-hispanic-group-hurt-or-help-trump-more/736698.md?page=5)