# Will Trump ditch Vance as VP pick, and if so, who will he replace him with? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 19, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913 "2024-08-19T19:39:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/41 "2024-08-20T08:30:41Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Vance is very popular amongst Trumpists. Trump has no reason to get rid of him. Vance is undoubtedly popular within the cult, but it’s obvious from the poll numbers that he’s historically unpopular among mainstream voters, most notably among the millions of voters inclined to reluctantly vote for Trump because they want to vote (R). The hillbilly hayseed may be just enough to flip these marginal voters. Whether Trump sees this or not is another question, since he seems to inhabit an alternate reality, but even he must surely be aware that he’s falling in the polls. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/42 "2024-08-20T08:36:02Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Whether Trump sees this or not is another question, since he seems to inhabit an alternate reality, but even he must surely be aware that he’s falling in the polls. He’s failing in the “fake” polls. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/43 "2024-08-20T08:52:04Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > He’s failing in the “fake” polls. There are really three different world views here. There’s the totally fake reality that the Orange Menace presents to his devoted acolytes, there’s the real world, and there’s his perception of the world, which is a murky Twilight Zone area that tends to be somewhere in between. Judging by the maniacal firehose of grievances spewing out on Truth Social, many in ALL CAPS, particularly the hatred for Kamala, it’s pretty clear that he perceives he’s in trouble. Whether he possesses the modicum of intelligence to be able to conclude that Vance is a big part of the problem I have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/44 "2024-08-20T11:08:45Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > So who _would_ he choose then? If he does it will be Friday or never. And my guess would still be Burgum. > [@Smapti](#): > > Trump can’t make him I think mistake Vance for a something that has a spine. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/45 "2024-08-20T13:03:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If he doesn’t get elected veep his political career is probably over anyway. I’m not sure about that. He’ll still be a sitting US Senator from a solid red state that is the 7th largest by population. He could easily fill a GOP leadership role in the Senate where he could keep his name in the headlines. ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/46 "2024-08-20T15:06:37Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > JD Vance is the most unpopular VP pick in modern history, polling even lower than Sarah Palin at her worst. I think the idea that the most unpopular VP pick in history suddenly developed “medical and/or family issues” and has to be replaced will be way too much for most voters to swallow Really? Seriously? Are you talking about Dem voters? No, I didn’t think so. Republican voters have shown that they can swallow anything, especially if it’s pitched to them as “NOW we will win!” Or even without that pitch, because republicans. Dan ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/47 "2024-08-20T15:09:45Z")
There is one advantage in keeping Vance. Trump can blame his defeat on him calling Vance “a bum”. IF he gets called out for picking Vance, Trump will change the narrative to how the 2024 election was stolen. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/48 "2024-08-20T15:28:41Z")
What would be the affect of Trump dumping Vance for Elon? Who would the other two horseman of the apocalypse be? ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/49 "2024-08-20T15:35:53Z")
So, we’ve spent the entire thread discussing whether trump will, could, or might ditch vance, but except for (I think) a mention of burgum in #44 we haven’t considered who would be good enough (for some value of good) to influence trump’s popularity positively. Outside of his committed base, that is. Dan ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/50 "2024-08-20T15:38:11Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > If he doesn’t get elected veep his political career is probably over anyway. > > I’m not sure about that. He’ll still be a sitting US Senator from a solid red state that is the 7th largest by population. He could easily fill a GOP leadership role in the Senate where he could keep his name in the headlines. Agree w @Railer13. To the degree a post-trump Republican party remains MAGATy, Vance will have a very nice spot from which to continue. _If_ the trump/Vance ticket loses only by a little then trump dies or fades into utter senility / insanity, _then_ soon enough Vance can claim they _almost_ won, but alas, poor King Donald’s body failed him in the end and they didn’t quite have the vigor to clear the bar. That’s a problem that much younger more vigorous Vance doesn’t share. Not one little bit. He could easily end up being Senate Minority (or Majority) leader for the next 10-20 years, and perhaps become a contender for Prez himself somewhere along the way. Conversely, if somehow the R’s escape the cultish trance of trumpism and re-embrace the (questionable) values of e.g. Bush I & Bush II, then yes, Vance will be consigned to the wilderness. Like all the other MAGAts and Freedumb Caucus folks in Congress. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/51 "2024-08-20T15:47:45Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > What would be the affect of Trump dumping Vance for Elon? Musk isn’t a native-born American so he’s not eligible. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/52 "2024-08-20T17:35:15Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > How long ago was Vance selected? He’s already lasted longer than some of Trump’s personnel decisions. As of today, he’s lasted 3.27 scaramuccis (3.6 if you count a scaramucci as ten days). > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Isn’t there some kinda contract or something binding the agreement a candidate would be a running mate, they’d have to sign? Seems like there oughta be Seriously? “Binding” is something that happens to _other_ people. > [@wolfpup](#): > > Even if Trump could somehow contrive to get rid of Vance, the optics would be an absolute disaster for the campaign, and that alone is reason enough not to do it Yeo. Look how well it worked out for McGovern. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/53 "2024-08-20T17:43:20Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > As of today, he’s lasted 3.27 scaramuccis (3.6 if you count a scaramucci as ten days). Or almost one [Liz Truss lettuce](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss_lettuce). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/54 "2024-08-20T17:56:50Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Pence isn’t that stupid. Heh. I was playing _Jeopardy! The Home Game_ last night with my family, and that answer came up in the “Probabilities” category. The correct response was _“What four words are least likely to be strung together?”_ ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/55 "2024-08-20T18:00:35Z")
Lindsey Graham would jump in so fast it would spin your head. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/56 "2024-08-20T18:12:33Z")
True. He’s been buttsnorkeling Trump for years now. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/57 "2024-08-20T19:19:00Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > buttsnorkeling The Classics Never Disappoint! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/58 "2024-08-21T02:28:37Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > It does raise the question, though, who would accept the position? Any halfway savvy candidate would give it a pass, I imagine. Heck, it’s like you’d need to have a worm in your brain. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/59 "2024-08-21T02:56:59Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Even if Trump could somehow contrive to get rid of Vance, the optics would be an absolute disaster for the campaign, and that alone is reason enough not to do it. Vance is here to stay, and I dearly hope he’s instrumental in sinking the campaign. Vance has done a poor job as a candidate, so his party may replace him. Why does that have bad optics? I guess this a very obvious to others, and there is something in my personality that leads me to miss it. But didn’t Biden do a poor job as a candidate and get replaced? There was no optics problem there. If Trump delays to a point where a few states retain the old veep name on the printed ballot, that would literally be bad optics. I think almost all voters would understand that the new veep is intended, so it would not hurt Trump, just be literally bad optics. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-ditch-vance-as-vp-pick-and-if-so-who-will-he-replace-him-with/1005913/60 "2024-08-21T03:03:33Z")
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