# Will Trump fire Mueller? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 11, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191 "2018-04-11T00:03:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/61 "2018-04-11T23:43:31Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > He’s an asshole personified, orange too! Of course he’ll find a way to fire him. \*\*I’m sure the GOP will try to pass a bill letting him do that before November. \*\*He has no clue as to how government works, has no clue as how to use the DOJ for anything. It’s “they’re not loyal to me” all the time. > > I voted yes. Bolding mine. Perhaps not - [A group of bipartisan senators is introducing new legislation to limit President Trumps ability to fire special counsel Robert Mueller](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/382615-senators-to-introduce-bipartisan-bill-to-protect-mueller) The worm turns? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/62 "2018-04-11T23:49:59Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Bolding mine. > > Perhaps not - [A group of bipartisan senators is introducing new legislation to limit President Trumps ability to fire special counsel Robert Mueller](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/382615-senators-to-introduce-bipartisan-bill-to-protect-mueller) The worm turns? Problem is, McConnell has to bring it to the floor for a vote. He doesn’t seem inclined. Also, it would have to pass with a veto-proof majority like the Russian sanctions bill. Otherwise, Trump must sign it. Think that’ll happen? :mad: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/63 "2018-04-11T23:51:36Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I think it’s only a matter of time. Trump won’t be able to help himself - he’ll reach a point of being so pissed off at Mueller, and so filled with a self-pitying sense of victimhood, that he’ll do it even if all of Congress and his otherwise-craven aides warn (or beg) him not to. I still think the odds are he doesn’t fire Mueller, but if he does, I agree that’s likely how it will plays out. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/64 "2018-04-11T23:52:43Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Bolding mine. > > Perhaps not - [A group of bipartisan senators is introducing new legislation to limit President Trumps ability to fire special counsel Robert Mueller](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/382615-senators-to-introduce-bipartisan-bill-to-protect-mueller) The worm turns? Of course, Trump would have to sign the bill and that seems very unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/65 "2018-04-12T01:15:50Z")
I think Trump will try - he’s done it before - and he might even succeed. But I think this raid on Cohen was Mueller’s crossing the Rubicon. The whole investigation has been so quiet and under the radar. This was Mueller saying, “I don’t have to be subtle anymore.” So Trump will try and maybe succeed at firing Mueller - and it will backfire even more spectacularly than firing Comey did. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/66 "2018-04-12T03:06:15Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > …So Trump will try and maybe succeed at firing Mueller - and it will backfire even more spectacularly than firing Comey did. I’m curious - in what way do you anticipate it backfiring on the President? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/67 "2018-04-12T04:41:56Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I’m curious - in what way do you anticipate it backfiring on the President? [Precedent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/68 "2018-04-12T04:58:46Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I voted no, although I haven’t read all the responses in this thread. My reasoning is that Trump loves the persecution complex. “They’re out to get me…” You think his whining is bad now? I expect it to increase exponentially in both frequency and intensity if he’s removed from office. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/69 "2018-04-12T11:40:52Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > You think his whining is bad now? I expect it to increase exponentially in both frequency and intensity if he’s removed from office. You got a deal. Lets make it happen. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/70 "2018-04-12T11:48:04Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > [Precedent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre) But now, we have an entire network that will defend the firing 24/7 and his base is profoundly ignorant and hostile towards democratic institutions. I think he will not suffer consequences beyond mobilizing Democrats for the mid-terms. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/71 "2018-04-12T11:57:54Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You got a deal. Lets make it happen. I’m game. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/72 "2018-04-12T12:54:59Z")
I really, really hope he does. Before the election, there were people saying, screw it, vote for Trump just to shake things up. Things are really shaken up now, so I say, screw it, let’s go full crisis. Plus, the epic finger wagging and tut-tutting from Republican members of Congress will be a thing of beauty. You might be able to create a new kind of sign language from all the finger wagging. McConnell will be asked how he got so funky from all the tutting. I say, let’s call Graham’s and, uh, Grassley’s? bluff. They said firing Mueller would be the end. Let’s find out! So, I don’t know whether he will, but I really hope he does. I’ll vote yes, though. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/73 "2018-04-12T13:03:15Z")
I’m sure he’ll try, despite every reason not to and every advisor telling him not to. Firing people is the only way he knows to deal with people who do things he doesn’t like. The only question is when, and that will depend on how good the people advising him (including Fox & Friends) are at convincing him to wait. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/74 "2018-04-12T13:08:54Z")
They say that the coverup is worse than the crime. But, if the cops have a swat team knocking on your door, and you have a dozen dead hobos stacked like cord wood in your crawl space, and a fresh one in your kill room, then covering up becomes your least bad option. He’ll fire everyone around Mueller and attempt to end the investigation that way. If that doesn’t work, he’ll fire Mueller too. Last night he implored everyone to watch an important Hannity episode, which turned out to compare Mueller and his team to a crime family and made the case for firing them all. This wasn’t an accident. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/75 "2018-04-12T13:57:47Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I’m curious - in what way do you anticipate it backfiring on the President? Firing Mueller now won’t save Donald. Maybe if he’d done it a year ago he might have got the Republican Congress to agree to drop it. But now - Mueller s had a team of money laundering experts going through Donald’s finances for a year. He’s got the judicial branch making arrests and a grand jury handing down sealed indictments. He’s got open indictments on a couple dozen people. He’s flipped multiple people to act as informants. He’s got Deutsche Bank cooperating with him. He’s got several actual court cases ongoing. He’s got professional criminal informant and long time Friend of Donald, Felix Sater, getting ready for his close up. He’s got people looking into the kids’ actives too. And now he’s got the US attorney for the Soutern District of NY nosing through Michael Cohen’s briefs. It’s too big to stop now and waaaay too many people are looking at the evidence. Firing Mueller now won’t help Donald. It’s bigger than Mueller. All it would do is add a slam dunk charge of obstruction to his mess. Mind you, I’m still not convinced that Donald will be impeached. The Republicans are trying to avoid shooting themselves in the balls. But there is a point where they will try to kick off from the sinking Trumptanic. I’m guessing sometime this summer during the Manafort trial we’ll start to see the rats getting motivated. Oh and I haven’t even mentioned Huuicane Daniels. If That NDA falls apart expect to see Cosbian levels of people clamoring to sell their stories. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/76 "2018-04-12T14:25:04Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Firing Mueller now won’t save Donald. Maybe if he’d done it a year ago he might have got the Republican Congress to agree to drop it. > > But now - Mueller s had a team of money laundering experts going through Donald’s finances for a year. He’s got the judicial branch making arrests and a grand jury handing down sealed indictments. He’s got open indictments on a couple dozen people. He’s flipped multiple people to act as informants. He’s got Deutsche Bank cooperating with him. He’s got several actual court cases ongoing. He’s got professional criminal informant and long time Friend of Donald, Felix Sater, getting ready for his close up. He’s got people looking into the kids’ actives too. > > And now he’s got the US attorney for the Soutern District of NY nosing through Michael Cohen’s briefs. > > It’s too big to stop now and waaaay too many people are looking at the evidence. Firing Mueller now won’t help Donald. It’s bigger than Mueller. All it would do is add a slam dunk charge of obstruction to his mess. > > Mind you, I’m still not convinced that Donald will be impeached. The Republicans are trying to avoid shooting themselves in the balls. But there is a point where they will try to kick off from the sinking Trumptanic. I’m guessing sometime this summer during the Manafort trial we’ll start to see the rats getting motivated. > > Oh and I haven’t even mentioned Huuicane Daniels. If That NDA falls apart expect to see Cosbian levels of people clamoring to sell their stories. I’m aware of all the things you mention and agree, firing Mueller won’t stop whatever criminal charges may be filed against a variety of people including the President. I don’t believe DJT is actually thinking that far into the future. He acts on impulse and can’t stand being challenged. He doesn’t have the capacity for long term planning. I guess when you said it would backfire on him I took that to be seeing him impeached or losing reelection. I’ve seen nothing to make me think a GOP controlled Senate would ever find him guilty and remove him from office. I also think there is at least a 51% chance he could get reelected in 2020. If the Democrats take control of the House but not the Senate and pass articles of impeachment I expect it to hurt them more than it will hurt DJT or the GOP. My expectation for Democrats is that they will manage to blow it in 2020 and nominate someone who has no real chance of winning the White House. The left is still viewed as demonic by far too many people who are likely to turn up at the polls on Election Day. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/77 "2018-04-12T15:24:34Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > You think his whining is bad now? I expect it to increase exponentially in both frequency and intensity if he’s removed from office. At least it would be easier to ignore him that way. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/78 "2018-04-12T16:00:59Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > You think his whining is bad now? I expect it to increase exponentially in both frequency and intensity if he’s removed from office. Hopefully he winds up in a prison cell with no Twitter and a television that only gets MSNBC. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/79 "2018-04-12T17:19:34Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Hopefully he winds up in a prison cell with no Twitter and a television that only gets MSNBC. It is interesting to think what you do with a man in prison and knows all of the US top secret information, and has no qualms about spilling it regardless of the consequences. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/80 "2018-04-12T17:24:16Z")
He’s had \*access \*to it, but how much he knows and remembers, much less cares, about it is far less clear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191.md?page=5)