# Will Trump fire Mueller? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 11, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191 "2018-04-11T00:03:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/101 "2018-04-13T14:24:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Would you rather have a President with execrable positions who IS capable of acting on them? As long as Trump is contained, we might be better off with him than Pence. Given the ever more likely Democratic majority in at least one chamber of Congress in the midterms, Pence would be largely contained anyway. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/102 "2018-04-13T14:24:33Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > [A new ABC/Washington Post poll](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/post-abc-poll-majority-of-americans-support-muellers-probe-of-russia-trump-campaign/2018/04/12/fd5326f6-3e87-11e8-8d53-eba0ed2371cc_story.html?utm_term=.9ee237ccfd24)reports that 69% of respondents want Mueller’s investigation into Trump collusion with Russia continued. > > An ABC analyst said an interesting thing on my morning drive time radio station, though. He said that the poll’s respondents also weren’t overwhelmingly bothered by the nature of Donald’s transgressions as much as they simply wanted to know the truth. I guess I get that about his past sexual dalliances but why aren’t people more worried about his financial dealings with the Russian kleptocracy, the possibility that he sold influence for help with the election, his continuing emoluments violations and his blatant obstruction of justice re: Comey and Mueller? But what was interesting was the second graph, which indicates that 64% want to know more about Trump’s business activities. As we’ve all mentioned before, this is Trump’s nightmare, and I’m not even sure the nightmare is about his probably criminal conduct as it is the realization that he’s a fake billionaire. His obsession with the projection of power, brains, business acumen, competence in bed, and wealth, in the absence of these in reality, is what’s telling. This is why he’s terrified of Mueller and why he hated Comey: he worried that they would do what our incompetent news media couldn’t, which is to untangle his finances and spell it out for everyone that he’s not a real billionaire. This is also why he despises Jeff Bezos and Mark Cuban – because they’re real billionaires. What’s even more telling is that despite receiving criticism from many other real billionaires, from Warren Buffet to Richard Branson, is that he only calls out one: Bezos. And that’s because Bezos just so happens to own the Washington Post, which has been one of a handful of news outlets that has tried to rip the mask off of Trump’s bullshit facade. But despite goading from Cuban and criticism from Buffet, he has pretty much left them alone, probably because he’s afraid that they would be able to explain why Trump is a fake billionaire and not a real one. Real billionaires, real successes, people with real intelligence are Trump’s kryptonite. He doesn’t dare touch them. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/103 "2018-04-13T14:45:58Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Would you rather have a President with execrable positions who IS capable of acting on them? As long as Trump is contained, we might be better off with him than Pence. I think Pence would be even less capable of acting on them. Trump won an election. He’s popular with the base. Right now, Republicans are scared to act against him because they don’t want to alienate the cult and lose a primary or an election. Pence has none of that. If he ends up president, he will be the lamest of lame ducks. And I don’t think he knows enough about national politics to make much use of whatever little leverage he might have. > [@Sinaptics](#): > > Given the ever more likely Democratic majority in at least one chamber of Congress in the midterms, Pence would be largely contained anyway. More so than Trump in the same circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/104 "2018-04-13T14:46:45Z")
Getting Trump’s finger off the nuclear button would be worth it for that alone. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/105 "2018-04-13T16:14:12Z")
There are reports that Trump has been asking supporters to go on the news to demand he fire Mueller. No reason to do that if you aren’t planning on firing Mueller. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/106 "2018-04-27T00:09:30Z")
Fox News poll: 71% say Trump will fire Mueller > **[Fox News Poll: Mueller likely to find Trump offenses, Trump likely to fire him](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-mueller-likely-to-find-trump-offenses-trump-likely-to-fire-him)** > > Most voters think it is important to continue investigating whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia -- but more believe President Trump will fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller before he’s done. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/107 "2018-04-27T03:49:10Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Fox News poll: 71% say Trump will fire Mueller > > [Fox News Poll: Mueller likely to find Trump offenses, Trump likely to fire him | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/25/fox-news-poll-mueller-likely-to-find-trump-offenses-trump-likely-to-fire-him.html) I don’t think Trump has ever really wanted to fire Mueller (or even Comey for that matter); he was hoping that his subordinates would just take the hint and drop the investigation. They haven’t, and now they’re threatening to expose him as one of the greatest frauds in human history. I think this is no longer a simple debate about law and politics, though whatever decisions he makes will indeed have legal and political consequences. But from Trump’s point of view, this is all about his survival, and the survival of his crime family and enterprise. I think he’s eventually going to give into the temptation to fire Mueller. Republicans have been trying to convince him that they can end the investigation in other ways, and he might have been satisfied with that for a while, but the Cohen probe opened up a second front, and I’m guessing this is really starting to hit close to home. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/108 "2018-04-27T04:17:54Z")
I think it’s a given that he’s going to at least try to fire Mueller. When Mueller committed the “unforgivable sin” of raiding Cohen, it became personal to Trump. It’s not about politics, or political games. To him, at this point, it’s about revenge. Mueller raided his attorney. Mueller is looking into his finances. Trump fooled the public into electing him. Now everyone is supposed to bend over backwards to keep him happy. He still has that corporate mentality where he can just get rid of any troublemakers, which Mueller is, to him. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/109 "2018-04-27T05:07:51Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I think it’s a given that he’s going to at least try to fire Mueller. When Mueller committed the “unforgivable sin” of raiding Cohen, it became personal to Trump. It’s not about politics, or political games. To him, at this point, it’s about revenge. Mueller raided his attorney. Just to note: the raid on Cohen, and the charges against Cohen, were _not_ done under Mueller’s direction. The raid was conducted by the FBI, under the direction of the U.S. Attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York. Now, all of this was the result of a referral from Mueller, and undoubtedly related to information that Mueller had uncovered, but it was technically separate from Mueller’s investigation. So, it may be a matter of semantics, in Trump’s mind. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/110 "2018-04-27T10:30:46Z")
Indeed. And, even worse, firing Mueller does nothing to stop the probe into Cohen. Heck, it likely wouldn’t stop Mueller’s probe. Someone else will pick up that ball. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/111 "2018-04-27T11:17:10Z")
One has to wonder: what would the actual political fallout be if and when we get to the point of Trump’s version of the Saturday Night Massacre? How much would the public care? As I’ve said before, I think the public would be concerned, but until the economy and country starts suffering direct consequences of Trump’s administration, I don’t think they would necessarily care enough to have Trump impeached. And I’m not even 100% sure he would lose in the next election - it would depend on how unified his opposition is in the Democratic party. Now if the economy goes down or if there’s a major war and Trump gets the blame for erratically causing it, then all bets are off. I think that’s the tipping point. But until we get there, I think Trump is capable of pretty much everything and the temptation to pull the trigger on Mueller and anyone else who gets in his way - Rosenstein, Sessions, Wray or anyone - will only increase. At some point, I think it’s going to too difficult for the “counter puncher” to resist the temptation of swinging the clinched fist of Executive power at his enemies. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/112 "2018-04-27T11:21:28Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Indeed. > > And, even worse, firing Mueller does nothing to stop the probe into Cohen. Heck, it likely wouldn’t stop Mueller’s probe. Someone else will pick up that ball. He’ll go after them, too. He won’t necessarily succeed, but if he gets support from his Republican soldiers in Congress, as he has continued to enjoy throughout all of his many outrages, then he will continue to go after his enemies one by one. And at some point, this has to have a chilling effect, a demoralizing effect on career people within the DoJ and various supporting agencies. If you worked anywhere near Andrew McCabe and James Comey, for instance, how can you not be feeling at least a little bit of heat right now? We have to get to a point when Republicans themselves feel as though their experiment with plutocracy is a failed one and they look for other ways to win elections. I don’t see that right now. Maybe a good drubbing in the upcoming elections will change the dynamics a bit. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/113 "2018-04-27T13:47:49Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > One has to wonder: what would the actual political fallout be if and when we get to the point of Trump’s version of the Saturday Night Massacre? How much would the public care? As I’ve said before, I think the public would be concerned, but until the economy and country starts suffering direct consequences of Trump’s administration, I don’t think they would necessarily care enough to have Trump impeached. And I’m not even 100% sure he would lose in the next election - it would depend on how unified his opposition is in the Democratic party. > > Now if the economy goes down or if there’s a major war and Trump gets the blame for erratically causing it, then all bets are off. I think that’s the tipping point. But until we get there, I think Trump is capable of pretty much everything and the temptation to pull the trigger on Mueller and anyone else who gets in his way - Rosenstein, Sessions, Wray or anyone - will only increase. At some point, I think it’s going to too difficult for the “counter puncher” to resist the temptation of swinging the clinched fist of Executive power at his enemies. Mehhh… His supporters would LOVE a war. Especially if it’s against Mooslims, or tiny rocket man. A down turn in the economy will take a while to affect people with out any significant investments and may be out of work to start with. And besides, it’s Hillary’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/114 "2018-04-27T14:27:12Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Fox News poll: 71% say Trump will fire Mueller > > [Fox News Poll: Mueller likely to find Trump offenses, Trump likely to fire him | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/25/fox-news-poll-mueller-likely-to-find-trump-offenses-trump-likely-to-fire-him.html) Previous Fox News poll: 68% say Jesus spoke English, rode a Stegosaurus and founded the NRA, 23.5% unsure ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191/115 "2018-09-13T01:49:50Z")
Hannity says Trump is going to fire Mueller after the hurricane passes. > **[Hannity: Trump Will Soon Fire Mueller](https://www.newsweek.com/sean-hannity-donald-trump-hurricane-florence-1118526?utm_source=GoogleNewsstandUS&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Partnerships)** > > Hannity and Trump enjoy such a close relationship that the Fox News host has reportedly been referred to as the president's unofficial chief of staff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-fire-mueller/812191.md?page=5)