# Will Trump survive his treatment of Khizr and Ghazala Khan? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 1, 2016, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463 "2016-08-01T13:37:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/41 "2016-08-01T17:46:59Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Well, it’s starting to hurt him. > > _Sally Bradshaw, has left the Republican Party to become an independent, and says if the presidential race in Florida is close, she’ll vote for Hillary Clinton._ > > Sally was an adviser in Jeb’s 2016 campaign. > [http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/sally-bradshaw-jeb-bush-donald-trump-florida/](http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/sally-bradshaw-jeb-bush-donald-trump-florida/) > > _“But,” she said, “we are at a crossroads and have nominated a total narcissist – a misogynist – a bigot. This is a time when country has to take priority over political parties. Donald Trump cannot be elected president.”_ > > Welcome to the good side Sally. Whoo hoo! That’s ONE! The floodgate has been opened. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![dreamregent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6f9a4e/32.png) [@dreamregent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dreamregent)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/42 "2016-08-01T17:47:07Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Well, it’s starting to hurt him. > > _Sally Bradshaw, has left the Republican Party to become an independent, and says if the presidential race in Florida is close, she’ll vote for Hillary Clinton._ I think there might be a lot of this in the end…people who hold their nose and vote for Hillary in an effort to save America. Clearly, Donald Trump is unable to refrain from kneecapping himself. At some point I think the proverbial straw that breaks the camel’s back is going to land. It may have landed already with this Khan thing. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/43 "2016-08-01T17:48:19Z")
This isn’t going to move the needle significantly. It’s certainly not going to affect Trump’s base of [racists and Islamophobes](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/the-gop-has-made-its-peace-with-trumps-racism.html). They will support Trump more because of this. The people who still support him because of the Supreme Court, or because they think he’ll dismantle Obamacare, or whatever, have already been willing to put up with Trump being a terrible human being. There’s likely nothing he can do or say–short of changing his policies–that will push them off. That’s why you won’t see people like Speaker Ryan or Senator McCain withdraw their endorsements. So who does that leave? Some mythical person who is high-information enough to follow this whole controversy, who is sufficiently heterodox that they like Trump but might not consider voting for him, and for whom this is the last straw? I doubt such a person exists, and if he does, that there are many like him. I suspect some people will use this moment to officially announce that they are (former) Republican and won’t be voting for Trump, but I very much doubt that they weren’t planning to do so before this. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/44 "2016-08-01T17:50:25Z")
> [@tullsterx](#): > > If their attack on Trump made more sense, then it might hurt him. But as it is their argument falls in with the same leftist rhetoric that wants to pretend that radical Islam is not a problem. So, no it doesn’t hurt him and could benefit him if their attack is placed where it belongs. And another one for the list. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/45 "2016-08-01T17:55:58Z")
I think it’s indicative of an image problem that might sink Trump. He’s trying to portray himself as the champion of the little people against the establishment. But the reality is Trump has always been willing to step on any little people who annoy him; Trump is part of the establishment that his supporters are unhappy with. Some of Trump’s supporters are going to read about people like David and Moira Milne or Michael Forbes and realize Trump’s true attitudes towards people like them. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/46 "2016-08-01T17:58:12Z")
> [@tullsterx](#): > > If their attack on Trump made more sense, then it might hurt him. But as it is their argument falls in with the same leftist rhetoric that wants to pretend that radical Islam is not a problem. So, no it doesn’t hurt him and could benefit him if their attack is placed where it belongs. Are you saying the Kahns represent radical Islam? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/47 "2016-08-01T18:02:13Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I’d be interested in your personal reaction to Trump’s handling of this issue. Aside from quoting headlines… how do you, as a Trump supporter, explain/defend/excuse Trump’s remarks. Are you/were you offended? Do you think his comments are no big deal, and the public’s reaction amounts to a tempest in a teapot? I’m really curious. > > There are some other Trump supporters here, too, and I pose the same question to them. To **Omg a Black Conservative** : I’m guessing you overlooked my question to you, so I’ll bump it up. What is your PERSONAL reaction to Trump’s remarks directed at the Khan family? You’ve posted headlines and commented on media bias, but what was your reaction to Trump’s comments. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/48 "2016-08-01T18:06:28Z")
I’m actually surprised Trump hasn’t said “I prefer heroes who are smart enough to stay alive. Walking _towards_ a truck that he suspected had a bomb in it. Dumb. Very dumb.” Anyway, again, a third of Trump’s supporters believe Clinton is literally in Lucifer’s employ. Just sayin’ That said whether or not Trump will get White non-college educated men who support him in polls off their arses to vote is a large part of the question. The net effect of all of his shit won’t get them to flip, but it may keep them from being enthused enough to vote instead of something else pressing they had to do that day. Voting is waking up early to do it before work or being home late for dinner … too much work after all. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/49 "2016-08-01T18:07:54Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I think it’s indicative of an image problem that might sink Trump. He’s trying to portray himself as the champion of the little people against the establishment. But the reality is Trump has always been willing to step on any little people who annoy him; Trump is part of the establishment that his supporters are unhappy with. Some of Trump’s supporters are going to read about people like David and Moira Milne or Michael Forbes and realize Trump’s true attitudes towards people like them. Only if there’s an appreciable number who liked Trump yesterday, don’t identify with those attitudes anyway (regardless of what they imply in practical terms), and don’t have anything else that’s much more important to them that made them Trump fans in the first place. I think ultimately the election is just a referendum on what Americans have been thinking about each other all along. We’ve always known there were Trumps among us; the question now is how many. ---
**Author:** ![dreamregent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6f9a4e/32.png) [@dreamregent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dreamregent)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/50 "2016-08-01T18:14:42Z")
> [@tullsterx](#): > > If their attack on Trump made more sense, then it might hurt him. But as it is their argument falls in with the same leftist rhetoric that wants to pretend that radical Islam is not a problem. Actually, it doesn’t. Directly in the face of another Twitter attack from Trump, Mr. Khan beautifully eviscerated the logical foundation of that line of reasoning in **[his remarks this morning](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqIplY0GVWQ)**. Indeed, he stated the Muslim community shares Trump’s security concerns over terrorism and pleaded for engagement with his community to deal with the threat. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/51 "2016-08-01T18:19:37Z")
> [@DonLogan](#): > > The PAC will have enough dough to buy enough time after the debates to buy thousands of 5 minute spots that will be nothing but a Trump blooper reel. They’ll be able to make multiple version of it without repeating the same gaffes. You will not be able to escape them. It’ll bury him. I keep seeing this sort of thing and want to make a point. All of the available air time in the potential swing states is - I’d bet anything - already purchased or optioned. It was bought by various groups/campaigns months ago. So the idea of being able to buy TV spots in the next few months is a fallacy. During my campaign in 2010 - a local race - I couldn’t arrange for TV after June because we had several state and national races that had arranged to buy all the airtime available. I could only get two weeks worth during the 5:30AM morning show time slot in September. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/52 "2016-08-01T18:26:03Z")
I have a feeling a SuperPAC with millions of dollars to spend just might get to talk to a different guy in the ad sales department than a local race candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/53 "2016-08-01T18:26:13Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Provoking Trump is literally easier than taking candy from a baby. Are all trust-fund babies that thin-skinned? > > Trump shouldn’t have survived his despicable comments about John McCain, who, incidentally, [has something to say](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/john-mccain-denounces-donald-trumps-comments-on-family-of-muslim-soldier.html) about Trump and Khan. Said McCain:" I challenge the nominee to set the example for what our country can and should represent." Let us know how that works out for you. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/54 "2016-08-01T18:28:22Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I doubt Khan actually carries a copy around with him lol. > [@Procrustus](#): > > He didn’t say he carries it around with him. Actually, I heard an interview with him yesterday (on one of the NPR shows, I think), and he said yes, he does habitually carry around that copy of the constitution in his coat pocket. He said he wasn’t originally planning to say that in his speech, but when he grabbed his jacket to put it on to go to the convention center he felt it in there and that’s what inspired him to pull it out. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/55 "2016-08-01T18:29:58Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > As to the OP, I think the tipping point was reached long ago, and **Trump will lose by historically large numbers**. We can only hope, if this were indeed a just universe. However: > [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > This isn’t going to move the needle significantly. It’s certainly not going to affect Trump’s base of [racists and Islamophobes](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/the-gop-has-made-its-peace-with-trumps-racism.html). They will support Trump more because of this. > > The people who still support him because of the Supreme Court, or because they think he’ll dismantle Obamacare, or whatever, have already been willing to put up with Trump being a terrible human being. There’s likely nothing he can do or say–short of changing his policies–that will push them off. That’s why you won’t see people like Speaker Ryan or Senator McCain withdraw their endorsements. Just look at the latest PPP poll. Three-quarters of Trump voters say Hillary should be in prison. Two-thirds say she’s a bigger threat to the United States than Russia. Almost two-thirds say they think, or are unsure, that Hillary is working hand-in-hand with Lucifer himself. You’re never going to make those voters switch to Clinton, even if some of them end up not being able to vote for Trump. I don’t think we’re going to get a landslide of historic proportions, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/56 "2016-08-01T18:31:42Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I have a feeling a SuperPAC with millions of dollars to spend just might get to talk to a different guy in the ad sales department than a local race candidate. But this ignores the point **Jonathon Chance** was making - if a block of air-time is already sold it can’t be sold again, not even to a SuperPAC with millions of dollars. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/57 "2016-08-01T18:43:17Z")
There’s an known unknown here. And that is that recent events seem to suggest that “airtime” ain’t what it used to be. Witness, when the Pubbie Establishment spent 40 Godzillabucks to bump Jeb(!) just a couple of points in New Hampshire and got…zero, zip, zilch, nada damn thing! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/58 "2016-08-01T18:44:56Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > But this ignores the point **Jonathon Chance** was making - if a block of air-time is already sold it can’t be sold again, not even to a SuperPAC with millions of dollars. You can get someone who agrees that your idea will work to sell his time to you. “Election ad futures”. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/59 "2016-08-01T18:49:02Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > If we get him, we deserve him. Indeed. I don’t know why people try to explain whats happening by suggesting that Trump supporters are actually secret anarchists or some other reasoning that gives people far more credit than they deserve. America appears to have millions and millions of people not only preparing to vote for Trump but actively convincing themselves that its the right thing to do. They have embraced ignorance and absolutely no event, fact or explanation can change their thinking. There is no third level deep thinking long game going on here, its simply that a very large number of Americans are fucking idiots. Don’t blame Trump or Clinton for whats happening, look a little closer to home. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/60 "2016-08-01T18:56:22Z")
But how many? I’ve sorta settled on about 20%, rough guesstimate. But really, who knows? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463.md?page=4)