# Will Trump survive his treatment of Khizr and Ghazala Khan? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 1, 2016, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463 "2016-08-01T13:37:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/101 "2016-08-02T00:42:37Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > On the other hand, I do believe he’ll get 40% of the vote no matter what he does. He could kidnap a child from a church and strangle him on live TV, and 40% would still excuse him. Paul Ryan would say something like “I do not agree with kidnapping and killing random children off the streets. It is not something I think is proper. I still support our Republican Candidate. Vote Trump.” Christie would say that the child threatened Trump first. This is how Trump survives. We have 40 percent of the voting public who want him to not only survive but get elected and turn the white house into a reality TV – and jail every last liberal, homosexual, Muslim, and minority on trumped up charges of treason, sedition, and apostasy. And we have cowardly right wing conservatives in congress who gave birth to this monster, rocked it while in its cradle, fed and nourished it, watched it grow before finally chasing its creators around the halls of congress like rabid wolves. They know there’s absolutely no talking to these people, and unlike democrats, they depend on these kooks for their political survival. Politically, they have a choice: they can actually stand up for the families of veterans they claim to care about, or they can “respectfully disagree” with a guy who dodged the draft and insults veterans. Trump knows, just like they know, they won’t fight Trump. They saw what happened to Ted Cruz. They know, if you don’t like Trump, you keep your mouth shut…or face the wrath of his angry legion of white christian nut bars. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/102 "2016-08-02T00:46:24Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > On the other hand, I do believe he’ll get 40% of the vote no matter what he does. He could kidnap a child from a church and strangle him on live TV, and 40% would still excuse him. Paul Ryan would say something like “I do not agree with kidnapping and killing random children off the streets. It is not something I think is proper. I still support our Republican Candidate. Vote Trump.” Christie would say that the child threatened Trump first. And his two spokesbimbos would say the child strangled himself and Trump was attempting mouth-to-mouth. Unlike Hillary,who was asleep and she would outlaw first-aid education because Benghazi emails. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/103 "2016-08-02T00:53:08Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Trump has had a horrible week – maybe the worst of his entire circus of a campaign, and there is evidence that he is paying for it…right now. > > But he has had episode after cringe-worthy episode, with voters questioning and doubting him along the way, only to once again reemerge like a stubborn cockroach that just won’t go down the drain, assuming the mantle as the great savior of ailing white christian nationalist America. If Trump were attacking a family that of a fallen pale-skinned man who regularly attends a mega church, you might convince me that there is a great sea change taking place. > > Donald Trump has fallen behind Hillary Clinton, but Hillary will not be able to put the contest out of reach. We still have nearly 100 days before election day. Still time for national security to become an issue. Still time for more Julian Assange and Russia to post more embarrassing details about Hillary Clinton’s impersonations of Henry Kissinger, George Schultz, and Caspar Weinberger. > > Two weeks ago everyone was talking about the shocking momentum of Donald Trump and the worrisome collapse of Hillary Clinton. Yes, Trump is in a slump. But he has proven that he understands how to use media better than any of us can fathom. Trump literally lives in TV and Twitter land. That explains his every move. We think he’s nuts. For a moment, for a day or a week, maybe he is. So in steps Paul Manafort to give him some poll numbers shock therapy and do damage control. > > Trust me: Trump will apologize to his victims…the way an abusive husband apologizes to a battered spouse. And we’ll all just wait until he smacks the shit out of us again. Has Trump every issued a sincere apology? He doubled down (again) today by saying Khan is mad that Trump doesn’t want radical Islamic terrorists in the country. > **[Trump: My Position On Keeping Terrorists Out Is What Bothered Khizr Khan](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/trump-my-position-on-keeping-terrorists-out-is-what-bothered)** > > "When you have radical Islamic terrorists probably all over the place, we’re allowing them to come in by the thousands and thousands. And I think that’s what bothered Mr. Khan more than anything else." [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mccain-adds-latest-salvo-in-gop-dismay-over-trump-clash-with-khan-family/2016/08/01/10ca7e10-57e8-11e6-831d-0324760ca856\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mccain-adds-latest-salvo-in-gop-dismay-over-trump-clash-with-khan-family/2016/08/01/10ca7e10-57e8-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/104 "2016-08-02T00:53:37Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > How can a citizen be “unqualified to participate in the democratic process”? While that was obviously hyperbole, the serious answer is by being mentally incompetent. Legal competency hearings are held all the time, and can take away your right to vote, to control property, to enter into contracts, and to consent to sexual activity. Severe Alzheimers is one way to lose some of these legal powers. None of us actually believe that supporting Trump makes one legally incompetent, any more than we actually believe the man is walking around with a mop on his head. It’s just really fun to say. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/105 "2016-08-02T00:58:17Z")
> [@theR](#): > > Has Trump every issued a sincere apology? He doubled down (again) today by saying Khan is mad that Trump doesn’t want radical Islamic terrorists in the country. > > [Trump: My Position On Keeping Terrorists Out Is What Bothered Khizr Khan](https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-my-position-on-keeping-terrorists-out-is-what-bothered) > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mccain-adds-latest-salvo-in-gop-dismay-over-trump-clash-with-khan-family/2016/08/01/10ca7e10-57e8-11e6-831d-0324760ca856\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mccain-adds-latest-salvo-in-gop-dismay-over-trump-clash-with-khan-family/2016/08/01/10ca7e10-57e8-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html) He will eventually find a way to say something that comes close to an apology. He’ll probably lie and say "Listen I said this a great guy, a war hero. I didn’t mean to offend this guys parents – if I did I apologize. Okay? See that press? I apologize. Okay, so there. Now let’s talk about crooked Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/106 "2016-08-02T01:08:01Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > He will eventually find a way to say something that comes close to an apology. He’ll probably lie and say "Listen I said this a great guy, a war hero. I didn’t mean to offend this guys parents – if I did I apologize. Okay? See that press? I apologize. Okay, so there. Now let’s talk about crooked Hillary. [His proxies have claimed Mr. Khan is Muslim Brotherhood](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/roger-stone-khizr-khan-muslim-brotherhood-conspiracy) and his supporters [booed a veteran’s mother](http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/08/01/trump-fans-boo-air-force-mom-at-mike-pence-rally.html) who was asking about Trump’s statements at a Pence rally. This all happened today. He is not going to apologize. The more someone tells Trump is wrong, the more he thinks he is right. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/107 "2016-08-02T01:08:17Z")
Haven’t seen it mentioned yet but Khizr Khan has said he will keep on speaking out, but his goal is not to shame Trump into backing down, it’s to shame Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell into repudiating their endorsements of Trump. As long as the media keeps giving Khizr Khan air time this is not going to go away. And the way I see it, as long as Trump keeps responding, the media will keep giving the Khan’s airtime to reply. I would have to say that this is almost the perfect tar baby to have hit Trump with, a dignified successful muslim gold star father. Trump can’t help himself and every time he attacks the Khan’s he just gets more stuck to the tar baby. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/108 "2016-08-02T01:08:26Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > He will eventually find a way to say something that comes close to an apology. He’ll probably lie and say "Listen I said this a great guy, a war hero. I didn’t mean to offend this guys parents – if I did I apologize. Okay? See that press? I apologize. Okay, so there. Now let’s talk about crooked Hillary. “I got a letter from his parents, and the NFL, and they said no apology was necessary.” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/109 "2016-08-02T01:19:31Z")
Whatever The Donald says or does, no matter how bad, his people will “trump” with, “But Hillary is worse!” Trump supporters on this board have said exactly that. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/110 "2016-08-02T01:22:03Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Haven’t seen it mentioned yet but Khizr Khan has said he will keep on speaking out, but his goal is not to shame Trump into backing down, it’s to shame Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell into repudiating their endorsements of Trump. As long as the media keeps giving Khizr Khan air time this is not going to go away. And the way I see it, as long as Trump keeps responding, the media will keep giving the Khan’s airtime to reply. > > I would have to say that this is almost the perfect tar baby to have hit Trump with, a dignified successful muslim gold star father. Trump can’t help himself and every time he attacks the Khan’s he just gets more stuck to the tar baby. It works…until some disgruntled Muslim American strikes – and then Trump will look like a white christian prophet. Sure, right now, Trump looks like pooh. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/111 "2016-08-02T01:23:19Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Whatever The Donald says or does, no matter how bad, his people will “trump” with, “But Hillary is worse!” Trump supporters on this board have said exactly that. Theres a few of those, but theres many more that have voted R all their lives but are disturbed or disgusted by Trump. We just need those people to stay home or vote for Johnson on election day. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/112 "2016-08-02T01:27:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think Josh Marshall from TPM has it right: Trump is not capable of holding back when criticized, no matter who it is our what they say. Everything is about dominance with him. > > It’s not a strategy - it’s a psychosis. Yes. Narcissistic personality disorder. A narcissist uses their inflated ego as a coping mechanism for life, and, when it is challenged, they lash out. Granted, most are better at hiding it than Trump, as they also know how to kiss up to others. It took years for my sister’s boss at the psychology place to get caught. She had to lash out at a patient. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/113 "2016-08-02T01:37:46Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > This is how Trump survives. We have 40 percent of the voting public who want him to not only survive but get elected and turn the white house into a reality TV – and jail every last liberal, homosexual, Muslim, and minority on trumped up charges of treason, sedition, and apostasy. And we have cowardly right wing conservatives in congress who gave birth to this monster, rocked it while in its cradle, fed and nourished it, watched it grow before finally chasing its creators around the halls of congress like rabid wolves. They know there’s absolutely no talking to these people, and unlike democrats, they depend on these kooks for their political survival. \*Already \*Speaker Ryan – _ **Ryan!** _ – is being primaried from the Trump Right, mostly over not being enthusiastic enough about Trump rather than about any policy. Surely he’ll win but this is someone who would have been renominated _unopposed_ by any normal political party. At this point I’m not sure even Rep. Labrador could openly show his back to Trump without becoming vulnerable to at the least a nuisance challenge. And they know that even if Trump falls this November, come 2018 state/Congressional primaries the UltraLunatics will be out for their blood. They’ve got the recent example of the sensible Conservatives being knocked off by the Tea Partiers as a referent, only now even the TP’s are feeling in the cross-hairs. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/114 "2016-08-02T01:42:27Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It works…until some disgruntled Muslim American strikes – and then Trump will look like a white christian prophet. Sure, right now, Trump looks like pooh. I don’t know that an attack by a Muslim American would do it; Trump’s big thing is closing the borders, not kicking out grown Muslims who’ve been here since birth. But if a Syrian refugee strikes? ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/115 "2016-08-02T01:51:53Z")
Snopes has a page already on the claim that Khizr Khan has links to the Muslim Brotherhood. Nope, no evidence. > **[Is Khizr Khan a Muslim Brotherhood Agent?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/khizr-khan-is-a-muslim-brotherhood-agent/)** > > After Khizr Khan's emotional DNC speech, rumors were circulated claiming the father of a fallen U.S. soldier is a Muslim Brotherhood operative. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/116 "2016-08-02T01:54:49Z")
The details don’t much matter to Trumpists. What the Khan fiasco does is harden the swing voters against him. The Trumpists already have all the answers; Khan is a plant, a Muslim Brotherhood/ISIL agent, whatever. I am sure soon some will say Khan never had a son. But Trump needs other voters to win. The Khan speech was a brilliant move by the Democrats. It was a magnificently honest, frank speech that precisely elicited the absolute worst in Trump and the Trumpists. It was like placing out a bear trap and the bear stepped right in. It’s like the Democratic convention is still running. If the Dems have a few more like this they’ll destroy him. I hope they do. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/117 "2016-08-02T01:55:15Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Snopes has a page already on the claim that Khizr Khan has links to the Muslim Brotherhood. Nope, no evidence. > > [Is Khizr Khan a Muslim Brotherhood Agent? | Snopes.com](http://www.snopes.com/khizr-khan-is-a-muslim-brotherhood-agent/) The problem is, if Khan speaks out, he will be fair game for Trump’s opposition research team. They will find the dirt, dig it up, and try to bury him with it. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/118 "2016-08-02T01:56:50Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I don’t know that an attack by a Muslim American would do it; Trump’s big thing is closing the borders, not kicking out grown Muslims who’ve been here since birth. > > But if a Syrian refugee strikes? It won’t matter. As long as it’s a Muslim, that’s enough evidence to show that Muslims are the problem. And just like how in another thread someone mentioned how an acquaintance of theirs said they couldn’t vote for Hillary because she gave away state classified information to the enemy, there will be people that don’t care about the actual truth, only about what things end up get connected in their mind through pure emotional appeal without regard to logic. They will fabricate things in their mind that are much worse than the truth, unaware of how the bits and pieces of knowledge that they have do not actually lead to the conclusion they’ve drawn. And it questioned about, they will absolutely say that they have seen clear evidence of such heinous acts even though they cannot get any of the specifics right. They will believe it so strongly in their mind that they will be unable to think logically about it. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/119 "2016-08-02T01:58:48Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > What the Khan fiasco does is harden the swing voters against him. But they’re ‘swing’ voters…meaning they won’t make up their minds right away. Sure, some will, but for every voter that Trump turns off now, Clinton will turn off one as well. This is gonna go back and forth. Trump had a horrible end of May and early June for almost identical reasons. And then, Hillary returned favor and had a terrible end of June and early May. And now Trump has been rocked again. We still have 100 days until the election. Assange is getting his Wikileaks ready. Trump’s counter-punch is coming. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/120 "2016-08-02T01:59:37Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > If the Dems have a few more like this they’ll destroy him. I hope they do. I can only hope they’ve located a large number of the (potentially failed) businesses that he’s stiffed and has them all ready to go for the next few months. I’m fairly sure artisan’s liens are public information for anyone requesting information on a property title, and would include contact information for them. I recall there to be hundreds, if not thousands, of such liens on his various properties from failing to pay people who did work on them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463.md?page=7)