# Will Trump survive his treatment of Khizr and Ghazala Khan? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 1, 2016, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463 "2016-08-01T13:37:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/161 "2016-08-02T17:22:48Z")
> [@simster](#): > > that’s unpossible - nothing can contain that ego. It’s the chicken heart from the “Lights Out” radio show. It grows and grows, and nothing can stop it! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/162 "2016-08-02T17:52:04Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > If you mean he’s going to refuse to debate, I agree. The entire Republican party and his campaign staff will physically bar him from getting on stage if necessary. They all know she will egg him on to saying something so catastrophic that there won’t be any recovery possible. Like what, “I would like to have sex with my own daughter”? Don’t no Trump voter give a shit what he says at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Wakinyan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wakinyan/32/352_2.png) [@Wakinyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wakinyan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/163 "2016-08-02T17:53:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > But how many? I’ve sorta settled on about 20%, rough guesstimate. /…/ > [@Maastricht](#): > > Between 15 and 20 %. > > How do I know? Because that is the percentage of xenofobic, politicians-hating, low-information voters that voted for our own Dutch brand of Trump in 2012. /…/ Hm, interesting; that’s where the Swedish [Sverigedemokraterna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats)seems to have established themselves too. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/164 "2016-08-02T18:40:37Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I may never be able to use the word “huge” again without feeling slightly nauseous. Just look forward to talking about Trump’s huge defeat in November. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/165 "2016-08-02T18:43:38Z")
I don’t think he’s gonna get there. I think he’s going to brave, brave, brave Sir Robin. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/166 "2016-08-02T18:51:04Z")
I don’t think Trump knows, either. He’ll be enthusiastic about and just chomping at the bit to get into the debates the next time a favourable poll comes out. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/167 "2016-08-02T19:04:15Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I don’t think he’s gonna get there. I think he’s going to brave, brave, brave Sir Robin. “OK, look, I didn’t want to drop out, but the fix was in, right? This election is fixed. Some people say that Hilary has a pact with the devil, did you know that? And the media is all against me. I would have loved to have hit Hilary. I would have won, I know that. Because I’m a winner. The BEST! And the Secret Service guys, I have a letter from them saying that they could not protect me against all of those crazy liberals, so really I have no choice. And get that Goddam baby out of here!” ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/168 "2016-08-02T19:07:53Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > Between 15 and 20 %. > > How do I know? Because that is the percentage of xenofobic, politicians-hating, low-information voters that voted for our own Dutch brand of Trump in 2012. > > The Dutch have a multy political party system. The US has two parties; the Dutch have ten. That makes it easier to see what people would vote if they have more then two options, more then two kinds of “conservative party”. > Our Trump is, strange as it may seem, ALSO a peroxied bold, orange skinned guy, by the name of Geert Wilders. He too used to be a part of the main conservative party before he split off from them 12 years ago. [He even went to the RNC and tried to tell Trump how much he admired him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8MEYgWcDQk)) Wilders party, PVV is a protest party with a message of xenophobia and “sticking it to the system”. [Wilders gets consistently 15 % of the votes with that message.](https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweede_Kamerverkiezingen_2012) That makes his party the second to third biggest party. Here its the [Keye’s Constant](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crazification_factor) of 27% ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/169 "2016-08-02T19:58:00Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > . . . I would have to say that this is almost the perfect tar baby to have hit Trump with, a dignified successful muslim gold star father. Trump can’t help himself and every time he attacks the Khan’s he just gets more stuck to the tar baby. I’ve been trying to find a term besides tar baby, but it just really fits. And whoever set that tar baby up? Man. I’ve heard commentators talking about the difference in the level of management between the two conventions, how one seemed to reel along which the other was controlled; but whoever invited the Khans to speak showed genius level management. > [@asahi](#): > > The problem is, if Khan speaks out, he will be fair game for Trump’s opposition research team. They will find the dirt, dig it up, and try to bury him with it. But he has spoken out. And the attacks have continued. And the more they reply to the attacks, the more we find out (which we wouldn’t have known without the attacks to respond to), the more gold is uncovered. The Khans weren’t chosen randomly. The Khans have already been researched to a fair-thee-well by the dems, who weren’t stupid enough to invite a couple with dirt to be dug up to speak at their convention. Anyone digging is going to find gold all the way down. This was managed. It was front-loaded. The quicksand was spread and Trump could not stop himself from stomping on it. He’s still stomping. As he gets in deeper we’re finding more, such as: > [@](#): > > Quote: > Khan said the Constitution he waved before the cameras Thursday night came out of the boxes of 99-cent pocket versions that he orders from the American Bar Association to hand out to fourth-year cadets graduating from the University of Virginia’s ROTC program. > > Every year since their son’s death, the Khans have invited the cadets to their house for hot dogs and burgers, to honor their son, a graduate of the program, and to give the students their first exposure to a Muslim home, to see “how similar it is to their own,” Khan said. “They’d feel like this is our aunt or uncle’s home. And I have cards from them, understanding the gesture of giving them the Constitution, because they were getting ready to take an oath to that Constitution.” Damn. Well managed. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/170 "2016-08-02T20:09:22Z")
With reservations. I hate, with every fiber in my being, when someone shoves a microphone in someone’s face and asks “What does your suffering feel like?”. If it was totally their idea, they came forward, then, well, that’s different. Sorta. Kinda. Sure hope they knew what they were in for. All over the world, Muslims are watching what happens to them. So, a good result depends on the worst of us behaving themselves. Worry face. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/171 "2016-08-02T20:14:02Z")
If the GOP collapses the Dems are well suited to become the new right wing party. They’ve got the Russia scaremongering, jingoism, and military props down to a science. Pretty weird to see the GOP conceding their traditional dominance in military rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/172 "2016-08-02T20:22:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > All over the world, Muslims are watching what happens to them. Let us hope that someone like the couple that was unhappy with people at work does not harm them. ---
**Author:** ![DonLogan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@DonLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/173 "2016-08-02T20:26:01Z")
The few surrogates Trump has are starting to get worn down. Halperin and Heilemann had Katrina Pierson on last night and at one point she said “Mr Trump made it very clear that he had nothing to do with the death of Mr. Kahn’s son, he was definitely a war hero.” 27:45 [http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-08-01/full-show-with-all-due-respect-08-01-16](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-08-01/full-show-with-all-due-respect-08-01-16) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/174 "2016-08-02T20:53:38Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Do you have a cite for that last part? I’d like to share it with a friend of mine… > > thanks! It was mentioned in the thread from which [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13539938#post13539938) was taken. Testimony refuting Rep. King’s witchhunt included the following from a report by the [Christian Science Monitor](http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0310/Peter-King-hearings-Are-American-Muslims-the-problem-or-the-solution): > [@](#): > > One of King’s stated motives in calling Thursday’s hearing was to demonstrate that the American Muslim community was not cooperating with law enforcement. Georgetown University’s Hoffman says he’s seen no evidence that that is the case. Nor did Republicans present witnesses or new evidence to support the claim. > > The only witness from law enforcement called to testify at this hearing was Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca, who committee Democrats invited to refute those allegations. > > “The Muslim community in Los Angeles is a very active participant in the securing of our homeland,” he told the committee. “These relationships are critical to mitigate a threat or, more importantly, recognize the threat at a stage that a person, or a group, on a wrong path can be righted,” he added. > > Often key tips in averting terrorist attacks come from families or the Muslim community, Hoffman says. Since the 9/11 attacks, the FBI and many large urban police forces have gone out of their way to reach out to the Muslim community, he says. Other related references: [A Short List of Terror Plots Disrupted by Muslim Community Assistance](http://interfaithcenter.org/archives/2718) There are difficulties as many Muslims have perceived some investigations as unfairly directed at their communities, (similar to the feelings among some blacks that the police “target” their communities), rather than serious efforts to stop terrorism, but studies both by Hoffman (Georgetown U.) and Kurzman (University of North Carolina), have found no evidence of any Muslim concealing plots and many examples of plots being reported to the police by members of the Muslim community. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/175 "2016-08-02T23:40:47Z")
In my email, the notice for “Will Trump survive his treatment…” was right below the notice for, “What if Gollum had survived the destruction of the ring?” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/176 "2016-08-02T23:46:15Z")
A minor but welcome e-piphany. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/177 "2016-08-03T00:10:12Z")
_"I think Trump is a national embarrassment”_ Republican Rep. Richard Hanna said as he publicly endorsed Hillary Clinton. I’m hoping this is just the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![67java89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/6/aeb1de/32.png) [@67java89](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/67java89)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/178 "2016-08-03T01:17:40Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Now if this isn’t shifting the goalposts. > > I’m pointing out to you that, as is the case, there’s a stark double standard in the media, and you’re deluding yourself if you actually think that this is confined to "one op ed columnist. The media has no problems whatsoever in doing the same things Trump does or attacking those on the right, regardless of who they are or the situation, though they hate him when he does. > > As it is, Khan attacked Trump first with the whole “constitution” thing (I doubt Khan actually carries a copy around with him lol). He isn’t a victim, and I’m glad Trump fired back. And if you’ve got the likes of McShame and Grahamnesty rustled, well… You’re probably doing something right. > > (Feelings of deja vu here.) Agree. It’s clear that Khan started the whole thing and the major media outlets are flipping it to sound like Trump attacked Khan, when it was the other way around. In his response, Trump was just being Trump. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/179 "2016-08-03T01:24:44Z")
Someone on my Facebook feed posted an article about Khan calling him “just another muslim.” No, he is a grieving american citizen whose son died in the service of his country. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463/180 "2016-08-03T01:34:27Z")
> [@67java89](#): > > Agree. It’s clear that Khan started the whole thing By calling for a ban on Muslims, since they can’t be loyal Americans? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-trump-survive-his-treatment-of-khizr-and-ghazala-khan/761463.md?page=10)