# Will we see another serious Presidential candidacy from a Vice President anytime soon? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 5, 2011, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-we-see-another-serious-presidential-candidacy-from-a-vice-president-anytime-soon/584424 "2011-06-05T19:40:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-we-see-another-serious-presidential-candidacy-from-a-vice-president-anytime-soon/584424/21 "2011-06-08T19:37:26Z")
The president doesn’t have the power to “ditch” the vice president. He could ask Biden to resign, but Biden could tell him where to stick it. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-we-see-another-serious-presidential-candidacy-from-a-vice-president-anytime-soon/584424/22 "2011-06-08T20:31:18Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > The president doesn’t have the power to “ditch” the vice president. He could ask Biden to resign, but Biden could tell him where to stick it. And rightfully so, he left a good senate seat to get that job he can’t exactly go to Chris Coons and tell him to step aside I need my seat back. If Obama turns around to Biden and says I’m going drop you Biden’s response should be ‘go fuck yourself’ then proceed to torpedo Obama’s campaign. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-we-see-another-serious-presidential-candidacy-from-a-vice-president-anytime-soon/584424/23 "2011-06-08T22:44:37Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > The president doesn’t have the power to “ditch” the vice president. He could ask Biden to resign, but Biden could tell him where to stick it. He can still “ditch” him as a recommendation, while keeping him on the job. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-we-see-another-serious-presidential-candidacy-from-a-vice-president-anytime-soon/584424/24 "2011-06-10T17:43:55Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Every TV news station is pounding Obama for the lack of jobs. Last month when job creation was higher than expected, it was quiet. This month when the jobs slipped, he is getting creamed. I have seen 3 commentators today discussing how much trouble he is in. > The news stations are doing their best to undermine him. i am beginning to believe they can get it done. Probably even with the higher numbers, they fall well below the [estimates Uncle Joe gave us for created jobs by the end of 2010](http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2010/06/03/bidens-job-prediction-falls-5-2-million-short-obamas-promise) [back in 2010](http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rOVz_N5t2i8J:nation.foxnews.com/vice-president-joe-biden/2010/04/23/biden-predicts-500000-jobs-created-month-soon+biden+500,000+jobs+a+month&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us). Or how one good month does not trump [two bad months (May/June 2011)](http://current.com/news/93262447_latest-job-numbers-2-1-2-million-jobs-lost-under-obama.htm) or how despite having [deficit spending as a percent of GDP the third highest ever](http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html)(and the two beating it are the World Wars) and twice as much as the Depression, [unemploment is higher than his lofty predictions](http://seekingalpha.com/article/124458-obama-s-unemployment-forecast-much-too-rosy). But of course, [Keynesian economics](http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/02/the-political-failure-of-keynesian-economics/71363/)[is working](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/06/the_failure_of_obamanomics_96878.html). ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-we-see-another-serious-presidential-candidacy-from-a-vice-president-anytime-soon/584424/25 "2011-06-10T19:12:37Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s hard to speculate even on who the Dems would put at the _top_ of the ticket in 2016, much less whether that candidate’s VP choice would be a viable candidate down the line. You don’t think Hillary Clinton will be the front-runner in 2016? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-we-see-another-serious-presidential-candidacy-from-a-vice-president-anytime-soon/584424/26 "2011-06-10T19:20:21Z")
Possibly, but she’d be pushing 70. I guess it’s a case of whether she still wants it. I guess she wouldn’t be any older than Reagan was. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-we-see-another-serious-presidential-candidacy-from-a-vice-president-anytime-soon/584424/27 "2011-06-10T20:09:06Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Possibly, but she’d be pushing 70. I guess it’s a case of whether she still wants it. I guess she wouldn’t be any older than Reagan was. My guess is that she’ll be a lot healthier and lot more together mentally than he was at that age as well. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-we-see-another-serious-presidential-candidacy-from-a-vice-president-anytime-soon/584424/28 "2011-06-10T20:09:18Z")
Me, I’m still hoping for Schweitzer in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-we-see-another-serious-presidential-candidacy-from-a-vice-president-anytime-soon/584424/29 "2011-06-10T23:32:41Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Is it likely the US will have a sitting VP who will run a serious presidential campaign any time soon? I could see Mitch Romney picking a a Rubio or Rick Perry as a VP candidate and if Romney won, a potential run from Romney’s VP. > > . The thing is, while Vice-Presidents like to run, they rarely win. The only sitting Veeps to ever win the presidency were Martin Van Buren (#8 in 1838) and George H. Bush (#41 in 1988). Nixon won after being out of the office for a while. By comparison, 8 guys got the job because the top guy died, and one because he resigned. You have a three time greater chance of getting the job if something bad happens to the boss. Part of the problem is, as Veep you are seen as a lacky, the guy who has no identity, but has to go out there and defend whatever the boss did. Which means you already have all his enemies, and you need to work on his friends. And let’s be honest, sometimes, these guys get picked because they are “Assassination Insurance”. No one would want to shoot the president and put _THAT_ idiot in charge. He’s usually picked as a sop to whatever interest group felt slighted in the runup. The Establishment felt slighted by Reagan’s populist appeal, so Bush-41 was a concession to the Country Clubbers. Quayle was a nod to the conservatives. Cheney was a nod to people who though Bush Jr. was weak on policy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-we-see-another-serious-presidential-candidacy-from-a-vice-president-anytime-soon/584424.md?page=1)