# Will your children be gay? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 24, 2003, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347 "2003-10-24T16:42:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/81 "2003-10-27T16:13:29Z")
if I may ask, why are you abstaining, Eve? Surely, you have suitors! ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/82 "2003-10-27T16:18:31Z")
Eve, maybe you should just eat carbs, and leave the non-carbs for the breeders. (Aside: Headcoat is just showing off his accurate but limited knowledge of one theory of natural selection and is not interested in applying it to real-life situations.) ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/83 "2003-10-27T16:30:53Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Headcoat \* > \*\* > j66, wanting to spare your child of pain is an aftereffect of wanting him to reproduce and continue your bloodline._\* No, it is not; that just is not true. That is not what I feel. I know what I feel; you do not even know who I am. I hate to see my step-child in pain; I suspect I would hate to see a child of my blood in pain. Why? Because pain is unpleasant, whether or not the person experiencing pain shares a blood ancestor with me. Pain + loved one = bad. Child - genes = child. If the continuation of my genes were the purpose of my life _I would have children_. I don’t have children of my blood; I never wanted children of my blood; I can not empathize with people who are heart-broken because they can not have children of their own blood. But my heart breaks for them because I **can** understand that they are _different from me_. Which is the whole point of this thread; people differ, and who are we to judge. Thank you, Eve. I am so angry I am shaking. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/84 "2003-10-27T16:34:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Paul states that being homosexual will keep you out of heaven, God implies that he has to restrain the urge to strike gays down and that they are a disgrace. I’d be curious to know what verses of Paul’s letters (or of Scripture) indicate that sexual _orientation_ will keep one out of heaven or that God has to suppress an urge to strike down homosexuals. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/85 "2003-10-27T17:06:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lissener \* > \*\*As far as how I’d react if a child of mine chose to become narrowminded and condemnatory, first of all that’s a strawman and a red herring and a highjack, all rolled into one. It draws a false parallel between _being_ and _choosing_. > > Nonetheless, to maintain the _appearance_ of evenhandedness–though to a certain degree I feel like I’m an enabler in Shodan’s struggle with irrelevancy–I’d probably take it as a judgment on me as a parent; what else could it be? As such, it probably wouldn’t be a surprise: it would probably reflect ongoing problems. Or, simply teenage rebellion. So I might deal with it the way some parents deal with blue hair or noserings. > > I’d certainly have learned enough, I hope, from my own experiences, not to pull rank and obstinately OPPOSE it, or forbid it or something. > > If it DID come out of the blue, as a result of a sudden brainwashing or something, I’d be as pissed as if my kid had been assaulted, but I’d hope to deal with it in the same way; rote opposition is way antiproductive. I’d like to think _I’d be creative: nail his hands to the wall, say, and go, “How do you like your god naaaaaaaaaow?” > [Emphasis added.)_\*\* Well, so far a couple of posters have made it clear that they do not like being asked the same kinds of questions as they ask of others. And have made it equally clear why. I guess we now know what hate looks like, from both sides of The Conversation. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/86 "2003-10-27T17:28:09Z")
Not sure what your point is, Shodan. Even though your strawman is NOT the same kind of question, I answered it anyway. Please elaborate. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/87 "2003-10-27T17:34:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lissener \* > \*\*Not sure what your point is, Shodan. \*\* **Shodan** ’s point is the same point **Shodan** always has: No matter what people do or say to you in the name of their religion, _you are never allowed to criticize them._ ---
**Author:** ![Headcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Headcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headcoat)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/88 "2003-10-27T17:42:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eve \* > \*\*Ooookay . . . Since I can’t have children, should I stop eating and starve myself to death? I already abstain from sex—for other reasons—but since I “have no reason to live,” I guess I should leave the food for those who have a useful purpose in life? \*\* I don’t plan on having children either, and I certainly don’t think individuals who abstain from child-rearing are any less valid than breeders - but we are essentially dead in the eyes of nature. By not reproducing, we are commiting evolutionary suicide. This doesn’t invalidate the fact that our root behavior stems from the need to have viable offpsring, even if we consciously decide not to. j66, a person can have just as much love for an adopted child as his/her biological own. That’s because the mechanisms that nature created for human empathy and love are powerful; and they developed because it was a helpful tool in ensuring the propagation of genetic material. Just like humans have a natural emotional bond to friends and family, because we are a social species that can not survive on our own. Establishing strong emotional ties ensures a strong and unified tribe, and a healthy tribe is a good foundation to raise healthy children. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/89 "2003-10-27T17:45:44Z")
I watched “Trembling Before G-d” this weekend. Izzy, you realize that some extreme forms of Judeism (yours?) think that homosexuals should be put to death? Do you agree with that? The people in this movie were so sad…so torn between their faith and their natural attraction to same sex relationships. I was brought to tears more than once because their lives are forever FUCKED because their religion thinks the most important thing is growing a family. The hero of the movie (in my opinion, of course) was the guy that left the religion (and his family) so he could live his life true to himself. It’s sad that the cost is so high for some people. Shame on anyone who follows a religion that would do that to one of their own. ---
**Author:** ![Svt4Him](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Svt4Him](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svt4Him)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/90 "2003-10-27T17:50:54Z")
Well, I don’t think it was a criticism, and I think it’s equally valid. The OP is getting at what a Christian would do if their son came and said they were homosexuals. I think this is implying that somehow a Christian would love their child less. If you were a homosexual and your child came and said they were Christian, would you love them less? It actually seems to me to me to be a perfectly valid point, again in relationship to the OP. To say a Christian would love their child less would be equal to saying a homosexual would love someone close to them less because they didn’t agree with what they are doing. I don’t think it’s too far of a reach to see the similarities. Now the OP, although passionate about the topic, doesn’t take into account many variables. To say I wouldn’t treat my son the same is not true, in that I would love him no matter what. Having gone through a situation when I was 18 and disowned from my family on religious grounds, I can say that the OP doesn’t really understand, and **lessener** did say it was based on how he felt, not on any facts. I wouldn’t do the same thing my parents did, and hope I have learned from their mistakes as well as my own. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/91 "2003-10-27T17:53:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Headcoat \* > \*\*I don’t plan on having children either, and I certainly don’t think individuals who abstain from child-rearing are any less valid than breeders - but we are essentially dead in the eyes of nature. By not reproducing, we are commiting evolutionary suicide. This doesn’t invalidate the fact that our root behavior stems from the need to have viable offpsring, even if we consciously decide not to. > > j66, a person can have just as much love for an adopted child as his/her biological own. That’s because the mechanisms that nature created for human empathy and love are powerful; and they developed because it was a helpful tool in ensuring the propagation of genetic material. Just like humans have a natural emotional bond to friends and family, because we are a social species that can not survive on our own. Establishing strong emotional ties ensures a strong and unified tribe, and a healthy tribe is a good foundation to raise healthy children. \*\* Head, you’ve obviously done some reading, but you have some more to do yet. You do realize that the importance of the kind of literal automaton behavioral dictates you’re talking about have been widely de-emphasized in dogs, let alone humans? In any case, you’re only talking about behavioral potentialities, but you’re talking about them as if they’re hardwired dictates. This is not the case. ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/92 "2003-10-27T17:58:21Z")
**Headcoat** , those of us who do not reproduce are not contributing genetically to the future of the human race, but nonbreeders can still make substantial contribution to the human race. A great deal of our ability to survive and flourish as a race is through our collective knowledge – and that is something that anyone can contribute to regardless of whether they have children or not. When we say that each generation stands on the shoulders of those that came before, we don’t mean in the sense of genetic evolution. The genetic change that has occured in the human race since the dawn of civlization as the result of evolution is, at best, minor. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/93 "2003-10-27T18:02:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Svt4Him \* > \*\*. . . The OP . . . is implying that somehow a Christian would love their child less. . . . To say I wouldn’t treat my son the same is not true, in that I would love him no matter what. . . . \*\* The OP wasn’t implying anything, Svt, it was asking a question. Any inference you draw from it is projection and defensiveness, which of course is also interesting. And if you have one child whom you believe is living a sinful life, and another who’s popping out mini christians every 9.5 months, you’re telling us that you’d be 100% equally proud of both? And would you rather your son undertake a commitment with a man who’s head of neurosurgery at Harvard, or marry a crackwhore with 4 kids in foster care? ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_of\_Sandwhich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/91b2a8/32.png) [@Earl\_of\_Sandwhich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_of_Sandwhich)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/94 "2003-10-27T18:12:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Headcoat \* > \*\*Well, why do we eat? To nourish ourselves so that we are fit to reproduce. Life has a purpose, and its purpose is to continue living. Not reproducing is essentially death of your genes, and thus the end of life for the genetic material that created you. Genes don’t serve us, we serve them. The conscious individual, with all his loves, fears, hopes and dreams means nothing to the gene in the scope of evolutionary survival. > > I don’t know why people want to complicate their assessment of human life with unnecessary trivialities, when the answers are already there and quite plain to see. > > j66, wanting to spare your child of pain is an aftereffect of wanting him to reproduce and continue your bloodline. Any pain will be debilitating to his/her chances of successfully bearing and raising their offspring. Your feelings of love and compassion towards your children isn’t some grand, mystical groove; it is merely a helpful mechanism that has been adapted into your behavior. \*\* The point on which I beg to differ with both you and Ryle Dup concerns exactly what constitutes a purpose. If someone were to tell me that the Ford Motor Company’s purpose is to make cars, he would be wrong. Ford’s purpose is to make a profit. If producing cars were not profitable, the company would either start making something else, or it would go out of business. Likewise, if humans one day stopped reproducing, the species would soon die out. You are absolutely right, Headcoat, when say that we are at the mercy of our genes. We are, in that sense, mere means to ends. Some reproduce, some don’t. Everyone dies. But the universe does not care whether or not we reproduce. Ford’s Board of Directors does care whether or not the company makes a profit, and just might fire the CEO if he fails in that regard. By contrast, no one will really care if an individual human, or humans in general, do not reproduce. Oh, maybe our mothers will start wondering when their grandchildren will arrive:), but the universe will still continue. My “evolutionary suicide,” as you put it, makes little or no difference to the world at large. I believe that your argument is ultimately circular. Humans reproduce, in order for the species to survive, so that other humans can reproduce. I do not see that as any kind of a purpose. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/95 "2003-10-27T18:13:08Z")
**lissener** > [@](#): > > Indulge me, Izzy, please. Otherwise it looks like you’re ducking the central question of this entire discussion. > > Don’t make me waste a whole bunch of time reading your past posts to demonstrate that you’re probably less likely to refuse to play hypothetical games when the subject is a different one. I thought the point of this discussion was what I would do if my child turned out to be gay, so I answered accordingly. I did not think it was to figure out what I would do in all sorts of hypothetical far-out scenarios that you can come up with. I would deal with those as they came up. I also have no idea if I’d rather have my child hit by lightning or attacked at the zoo by an escaping gorilla. I’ll deal with that too, if it ever comes up. Feel free to read my past posts as you wish. > [@](#): > > I used to work with a woman who was mighty (and aggressively and judgmentally) religious. She had two sons. One of them I felt pretty sure would someday have to struggle with this issue. It made me sad to think that his mother was fostering an atmosphere that would serve to make his struggles, if such does occur, extremely difficult and painful. Not to mention the sadness I felt just thinking that he was gonna have to go through this without his mother’s help or support. > > I saw this a selfish, and as a failure of her parenting; I felt that by not considering this hypothetical possibility, she was indulging her discomfort over her son’s happiness. Izzy, Svt, what is your reaction to this? If you consider a person’s beliefs about right and wrong to be “discomfort” you’d be right. I don’t. > [@](#): > > 50% of THOSE have been KICKED OUT INTO THE STREETS by their family. > > 33% of teen suicides are gay identified. > > Izzy, Svt, et al., does that give you pause at all? Would you rather subject your child to those higher likelihoods of homelessness or suicide than accept who they are, without reservation? I already said I would not kick my child out over this issue. In my first post on the subject, IIRC. Don’t see what your question is. **Kalhoun** > [@](#): > > Izzy, why is your particular brand of religion “immune” to homosexuality when the rest of the Jews aren’t? I can’t believe you truly think it is a learned behavior. There are a ton of gays on these boards who lived in anti-gay environments and are still gay. What force-field do you rely on to keep “the gays” from penetrating your world? Studies have shown that there is a strong environmental component to sexual orientation. So one cannot extrapolate from the percentage of gays that exist in one society to the number that might exist in another. In the particular case of ultra-orthodox Jews, they are far more insulated from the larger secular/Christian society than are other subgroups. So the possibility is far stronger that in this particular society the environment is not conducive to producing gays than it would be in others subgroups of society that are more culturally integrated with society at large. IMO, it is those who know nothing whatsoever about this society and who insist that their experiences in their own culture must reflect universal conditions who are close-minded and foolish. But, to each his own. **Astro** > [@](#): > > While not sexually “gay”, in practical emotional terms aren’t many of the really close male to male interpersonal relationships in the ultra-orthodox community the old world style emotionally bonded relationships, that would be considered practically gay from the modern secular POV, lacking only the sexual component to make them “queer”. Possible. What is certainly true is that what with little or no attention to sexual orientation issues there’s a lot that can be freed of hang-ups about these issues. I’ll bet I’ve kissed a lot more men than many of these gay guys, what do you know. 😃 **panache45** > [@](#): > > just because something is “unheard of,” doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. If your child told you he was gay, you might react in any number of ways - but the one thing you probably would not do would be to tell the news to all your friends, neighbors or relatives. It would be a very closely guarded secret. So is it too much of a stretch to consider that this has happened many times in your community, but the people involved think their situation is unique? I’ve addressed this earlier. You can’t keep everything a secret. I’m not saying you can prove anything from the fact that there is no ultra-orthodox contingent marching in the Gay Pride parade. But you would expect that every couple of years you would hear that so-and-so’s cousin’s friend’s brother’s marriage broke up over some gay-related problem. Or maybe someone wavering in their identity would confess to someone in a moment of regret and implicate other people. Or someone would be caught in some sort of police sting. Or something. Nothing exists on a widespread basis with _no_ manifestation at all. > [@](#): > > So if one of your kids is gay, he probably won’t tell you, fearing your disapproval and its consequences. He’ll either break away from your community entirely, or learn to repress his most basic feelings. He’ll probably get married, have lots of kids, and lead an examplary life, in your eyes. But his attraction to men will never go away, and he’ll wind up a lonely, frustrated, bitter old man who derives no pleasure from all the “right” choices he’s made. > > Is that the life you want for your child? No, of course not. I’m not convinced that anyone suppressing an attraction for men is doomed to wind up a lonely frustrated bitter old man etc. Some people actually derive satisfaction and fulfillment from having conquered their urges. I don’t see why this particular urge is unique. But in any event it’s best to do the right thing in this world and hope for better things in the world to come than the reverse. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/96 "2003-10-27T18:51:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Svt4Him \* > \*\* If you were a homosexual and your child came and said they were Christian, would you love them less? It actually seems to me to me to be a perfectly valid point, again in relationship to the OP. \*\* Apples and oranges. One is a choice; one is not. **Situation One** : The child of a religious couple grows up gay, fights it, cannot change, and confesses to his parents that—despite all his efforts and wishes—he is gay. **Situation Two** : The child of a gay and/or non-religious couple _decides_ to begin following a religion that proscribes homosexuality. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/97 "2003-10-27T19:02:01Z")
Izzy said, "Studies have shown that there is a strong environmental component to sexual orientation. " Cite? I think you’re grossly misinformed. There may be an environmental component to being OUT, but not to being GAY. ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/98 "2003-10-27T19:17:08Z")
**Kalhoun** , I’m sure there are studies that say that. I’m also reasonably certain that those studies are flawed in some way. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/99 "2003-10-27T19:17:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lissener \* > \*\*And would you rather your son undertake a commitment with a man who’s head of neurosurgery at Harvard, or marry a crackwhore with 4 kids in foster care? \*\* Is that all that’s left to choose from? The dating scene must be worse than I thought. The real reason I de-lurked in this thread is to say I’d also like to hear an answer to **tomndeb** ’s question. **Gadfly** wrote > [@](#): > > Christianity is another question entirely - Paul states that being homosexual will keep you out of heaven, God implies that he has to restrain the urge to strike gays down and that they are a disgrace. and I’d like to know where Paul says that, and where (in the Bible) God is described as having the urge to strike gays down. ---
**Author:** ![Svt4Him](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Svt4Him](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svt4Him)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347/100 "2003-10-27T19:23:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lissener \* > The OP wasn’t implying anything, Svt, it was asking a question. Any inference you draw from it is projection and defensiveness, which of course is also interesting. Are you saying you aren’t asking if I’d love my child less? And this is projection and defensiveness? Granted it may not have been in the original thread, my mistake, but it is still by the original poster, so lets take a look: > [@](#): > > And if you have one child whom you believe is living a sinful life, and another who’s popping out mini christians every 9.5 months, you’re telling us that you’d be 100% equally proud of both? Nope, not asking if I’d love them less, now it’s if I’d be proud of them less… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lissener \* > Would your children understand, Izzy and Svt, that they were, to whatever degree, a disappointment to you? That you felt that they had made bad choices, and that if it were up to you, they would be different from how they are? Nope, again not asking if I’d love them less, only if they would be more disappointing… > [@](#): > > (And to expose my own prejudice, I’m having a VERY difficult time picturing either of you hugging your child and saying, “I understand that you feel you have to [steal]/[drive on saturday] but I still love you for who you are,” so I’m reluctant to accept those examples as adequate parallels.) Well actually now you are implying that I’d love him less. > [@](#): > > Would your child understand that you may brag of other children, “My younger son married a great girl and has two beautiful kids,” but you will never announce to your bridge club “My older son has been in a loving relationship with a great guy for 12 years and I’m helping them adopt a little boy from China”? Now it’s back to being proud of them. So no, I don’t think I projected anything, I don’t believe I was being defensive, but I do believe you need to get over your martyr mentality. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-your-children-be-gay/209347.md?page=6)