# Willow Rosenberg: charming cutie, irresponsible brat, or dyed-in-the-wool villain? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 5, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601 "2011-08-05T15:28:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/1 "2011-08-05T15:28:48Z")
Discuss. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/2 "2011-08-05T15:33:09Z")
Irresponsible Brat? IMHO, she was a charming cutie until they needed a new Big Bad at the end of the show’s run… …and since the show ended at the end of Season 5 - it DID!! - the OP is moot anyway… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/3 "2011-08-05T15:35:03Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Irresponsible Brat? > > IMHO, she was a charming cutie until they needed a new Big Bad at the end of the show’s run… > > …and since the show ended at the end of Season 5 - it DID!! - the OP is moot anyway… > > 😉 While I understand the reason to disavow the latter two seasons, we cannot do so withuot losing “Once More, With Feeling,” and clearly that would be the act of a madman. I’m going to go with _irresponsible_ my ownself. I think specifically of her actions at the end of season two. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dread_pirate_jimbo/32/3897_2.png) [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dread_Pirate_Jimbo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/4 "2011-08-05T15:42:25Z")
Willow was evil. EVIL! Anyone with red hair is clearly evil. Everyone knows that. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/5 "2011-08-05T15:43:59Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > While I understand the reason to disavow the latter two seasons, we cannot do so withuot losing “Once More, With Feeling” No - that is an honorary Season 5 episode. It IS! ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/6 "2011-08-05T15:47:28Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Willow Rosenberg: charming cutie, irresponsible brat, or dyed-in-the-wool villain? > > Discuss. Yes StG ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/7 "2011-08-05T15:52:53Z")
Why isn’t there a “who the hell is Willow Rosenberg?” option. You’re apparently referencing some TV show, but I have no idea what. ---
**Author:** ![koeeoaddi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/koeeoaddi/32/408_2.png) [@koeeoaddi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koeeoaddi)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/8 "2011-08-05T15:54:02Z")
All of the above? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/9 "2011-08-05T15:55:51Z")
A charming cutie that is sometimes bratty, and has some serious self control issues. Most of Joss’ characters are pretty well-rounded, which means they are often at least a little jerkish. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/10 "2011-08-05T15:58:02Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Why isn’t there a “who the hell is Willow Rosenberg?” option. You’re apparently referencing some TV show, but I have no idea what. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/11 "2011-08-05T15:58:53Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > No - that is an honorary Season 5 episode. It IS! Fool of a Pylean! “Once More with Feeling” makes no sense without the preceding episodes of season six. Not only is it necessary to have Buffy resurrected, but you also need Dawn’s shoplifting, [del]Willow’s abuse of magic[/del] Willow’s using magic to abuse Tara, Giles’s heading to England… Sorry. As questionable as S6 is, you can’t dispense with it and keep OMWF. I checked with aslan to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/12 "2011-08-05T16:01:30Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Why isn’t there a “who the hell is Willow Rosenberg?” option. You’re apparently referencing some TV show, but I have no idea what. When people start threads referencing athletes without naming the teams or sports, I don’t complain. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/13 "2011-08-05T16:01:49Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Why isn’t there a “who the hell is Willow Rosenberg?” option. You’re apparently referencing some TV show, but I have no idea what. Come on Dio, you should know better. I’m not going to respond to the poll, because I haven’t watched enough of the series, but any popular culture entity is going to have a [Wikipedia entry](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow_Rosenberg) explaining it all in excruciating detail. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/14 "2011-08-05T16:02:51Z")
Oh, ok. I’ve never seen that show. I was just curious. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/15 "2011-08-05T16:46:15Z")
> [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](#): > > Willow was evil. EVIL! Anyone with red hair is clearly evil. Everyone knows that. A woman like that could ruin me. If I was lucky. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/16 "2011-08-05T17:11:28Z")
Irresponsible brat. By the end all the attraction was gone. Always seemed so friggin’ calculated on Whedon’s part: “Here’s a geeky, computery chick for all you nerdy guys too intimidated by the hot blonde lead…but wait! There’s more!..She’s a Witch now! But wait!, there’s more!.. she’s a Lesbian now! but Wait! There’s more!..she’s Evil now!” Her girlfriend, on the other hand - \*there \*was a cutie. ---
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/17 "2011-08-05T17:17:49Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Why isn’t there a “who the hell is Willow Rosenberg?” option. You’re apparently referencing some TV show, but I have no idea what. There really needed to be this option in the poll. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/18 "2011-08-05T17:44:58Z")
> [@Rhiannon8404](#): > > There really needed to be this option in the poll. I disagree. Willow is a major character in the television show. Anyone whose watched _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_ knows who she is, and if you don’t recognize the character and show from just the name, you can’t reasonably have an opinion. If someone started a thread on whether, say, the designated hitter rule should be abolished, I wouldn’t say that there should be an option for people like me whose only knowledge of said rule is how to spell it. The fact that I don’t know jack about baseball means would keep me from voting in the poll. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/19 "2011-08-05T17:56:54Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Fool of a Pylean! > > “Once More with Feeling” makes no sense without the preceding episodes of season six. Not only is it necessary to have Buffy resurrected, but you also need Dawn’s shoplifting, [del]Willow’s abuse of magic[/del] Willow’s using magic to abuse Tara, Giles’s heading to England… > > Sorry. As questionable as S6 is, you can’t dispense with it and keep OMWF. I checked with aslan to be sure. La la la - can’t hear you!! Curse your canonical logic. I still prefer a retcon involving a Dallas-type dream thingy; hey that would get Willow in a shower, right? Yeah back to la la la… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601/20 "2011-08-05T18:06:51Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > Come on Dio, you should know better. I’m not going to respond to the poll, because I haven’t watched enough of the series, but any popular culture entity is going to have a [Wikipedia entry](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow_Rosenberg) explaining it all in excruciating detail. Very much a proper response from an urbane librarian. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/willow-rosenberg-charming-cutie-irresponsible-brat-or-dyed-in-the-wool-villain/591601.md?page=2)