# Windows 10 is EVIL! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760 "2016-09-12T16:06:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/21 "2016-09-12T22:30:33Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > I hate to rain on the OP’s parade, but there’s a very, very good reason why Microsoft decided to make updates automatic in Win10. Many people were leaving themselves vulnerable to malware, because they weren’t installing updates. Why should the minority of smart people be forced to suffer alongside the dumb people? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/22 "2016-09-12T23:09:18Z")
[QUOTE=Ruby Slippers] Windows 10 is EVIL! [/QUOTE] It’s the Manservant Hecubus of operating systems. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/23 "2016-09-12T23:19:00Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > It’s the Manservant Hecubus of operating systems. A considerate operating system that will play your YouTube videos and get your email, but EVIL NONE THE LESS! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/24 "2016-09-13T03:33:29Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > I hate to rain on the OP’s parade, but there’s a very, very good reason why Microsoft decided to make updates automatic in Win10. Many people were leaving themselves vulnerable to malware, because they weren’t installing updates. Won 7, at least the way my work configured it, kept bugging you to install updates until you did - but let you delay it until it was a good time. In our configuration at least there was no way of turning off the reminders. That seems a perfectly acceptable way of forcing updates while not rebooting when the OS feels like it. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/25 "2016-09-13T04:33:30Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Hassles like being able to play games in your computer? I’m able to play games on the Mac. Unless you mean things like the multi player games? ---
**Author:** ![Silophant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Silophant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silophant)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/26 "2016-09-13T04:55:14Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I know that Mac users gloating over these problems is not only rude but old hat, but really it’s hard not to! I haven’t had to use anything but Apple for so long that I probably wouldn’t be able to even deal with a machine using Micro$oft. And yet, you just posted a panicky [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19624742#post19624742) in GQ because your Apple phone is deleting stuff on your Apple computer. How’s that working out for you? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/27 "2016-09-13T05:16:41Z")
> [@Silophant](#): > > And yet, you just posted a panicky [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19624742#post19624742) in GQ because your Apple phone is deleting stuff on your Apple computer. How’s that working out for you? That was hardly a panicky post, and I imagine such things happen to other OSs. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/28 "2016-09-13T06:26:21Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > I hate to rain on the OP’s parade, but there’s a very, very good reason why Microsoft decided to make updates automatic in Win10. Many people were leaving themselves vulnerable to malware, because they weren’t installing updates. So what? It’s my computer, not theirs. We’re not talking worms or viruses anymore, just malware. It won’t affect anyone else but the computer that it’s on. Microsoft could have fixed their small updates so they didn’t need to restart the computer. Then people mostly wouldn’t care if an update happened. But they didn’t. They made it worse, where every update on Windows 10 required a restart. And then they have these biannual updates that take hours to install and resets a bunch of stuff. (My GPU drivers got broken) And that’s because they decided to keep using the same install system they’d been using since Windows Vista. The thing is, it’s my computer. Everything on it is my choice. Taking away choice that you used to give makes you an asshole. Even and especially if you’re doing it “for my own good.” Fuck any developer that uses that logic. While everyone else seems optimistic, I actually am not sure you guys will fix OP’s problem. Microsoft downloads drivers on its own now. And it seems unlikely that a monitor driver would fail, since they are so basic. I suspect the issue may instead be a GPU driver issue. That it’s falling back to a basic driver that can’t support dual displays. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/29 "2016-09-13T08:11:55Z")
> [@Ruby\_Slippers](#): > > I have been resisting for a couple of years my husband’s constant encouragement to move to a Mac but I’m thinking the time has come. Why not keep your existing computer and install Linux instead? ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/30 "2016-09-13T08:12:02Z")
Yeah, and after windows 10 changed my OS language, I tried to change it back to English and it’s all like " you don’t really mean that" and kept my settings menu in Japanese. Like I don’t really know what language I want. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/31 "2016-09-13T12:30:46Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Why not keep your existing computer and install Linux instead? I dual-boot, and use Linux for everything but games. The Windows partition is for games only. I still hate it when Windows decides it has to reboot when I’m playing and can’t see the dialog box. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/32 "2016-09-13T12:50:48Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I know that Mac users gloating over these problems is not only rude but old hat, but really it’s hard not to! I haven’t had to use anything but Apple for so long that I probably wouldn’t be able to even deal with a machine using Micro$oft. > > Come to the dark side! Give up all the hassles! > > 😃 Best of both worlds: Run Windows 10 in a VM on macOS. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/33 "2016-09-13T12:54:02Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > I hate to rain on the OP’s parade, but there’s a very, very good reason why Microsoft decided to make updates automatic in Win10. Many people were leaving themselves vulnerable to malware, because they weren’t installing updates. While that sounds very noble it in no way justifies the spyware and other intrusive software incorporated into Windows 10. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/34 "2016-09-13T13:25:31Z")
I was lucky enough to have a PC that wasn’t compatible with Win 10, so they couldn’t force the upgrade on me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/35 "2016-09-13T13:32:24Z")
And some of us have had nothing but good experiences with Win 10, even on complex systems. Win 7 was great; Win 10 is a worthwhile upgrade for many of us. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/36 "2016-09-13T13:47:54Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I’m able to play games on the Mac. Unless you mean things like the multi player games? You can play some games in a Mac, but the set of games that can be played in a Mac is far smaller that the set of games of that can be played in a PC, and there is almost no games you can play in a Mac that won’t run in a PC. Since a computer main purpose is to play games, a Mac is mostly just another domestic appliance, like the TV or the microwave oven… To be serious for a bit, I’ve never used an apple product (except for 2 frustating weeks trying to make a web site work in IE for Mac about 10 years ago), I feel a (mostly unwarranted I recognize) visceral dislike for the things. Of course many like them so obviously they have their uses, but they are not inherently superior to PCs and their fans can get tiresome with their evangelizing, specially when you thing that the thing they trying to get yout to use cannot run most of the games in the market. If you don’t care for games you’ll probably be better using a PC with Linux, (far cheaper also!). So while Macs have their advantage (they have a good rep in Graphic Design), they are not something a regular user should need, if he or she just needs something for checking web sites and watching Youtube a good Android tablet would serve. ---
**Author:** ![Admin765](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5fc32e/32.png) [@Admin765](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Admin765)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/37 "2016-09-13T14:26:00Z")
Do a clean install of Windows 7. At the time you installed Windows 10, the windows 7 folders were moved to Windows.old and then after 4 weeks they were deleted. You will need the product key for the previous Windows 7 installation and just do a clean install. Hopefully you’ve still got it somewhere. If you feel adventurous, you can try Linux Mint Cinamon (I suggest 17.3) which you can use as a LiveCD without actually installing it. Linux Mint comes with Virtualbox which can be used to install a virtual Windows OS so you can use any of the software you own - it wont play games because the virtual graphics driver isn’t good enough. ---
**Author:** ![Admin765](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5fc32e/32.png) [@Admin765](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Admin765)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/38 "2016-09-13T14:34:07Z")
Good post. You can use Virtualbox to install OS X. Haven’t done it myself but interested to see how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/39 "2016-09-13T19:03:41Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > But yeah, Win10 is quite obnoxious about updating when it feels like it wants to. > My LG monitor still works fine, btw. > [@eulalia](#): > > I still hate it when Windows decides it has to reboot when I’m playing and can’t see the dialog box. Settings \> Update & Security \> Advanced Options \> Notify to Schedule Restart. Easy Peasy. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760/40 "2016-09-13T19:48:09Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > Best of both worlds: Run Windows 10 in a VM on macOS. I haven’t seen a Windows version since, oh? 7? Vista? Can’t remember. How would running 10 on a Mac be the best of both worlds? > [@Frodo](#): > > You can play some games in a Mac, but the set of games that can be played in a Mac is far smaller that the set of games of that can be played in a PC, and there is almost no games you can play in a Mac that won’t run in a PC. > > Since a computer main purpose is to play games, a Mac is mostly just another domestic appliance, like the TV or the microwave oven… > > To be serious for a bit, I’ve never used an apple product (except for 2 frustating weeks trying to make a web site work in IE for Mac about 10 years ago), I feel a (mostly unwarranted I recognize) visceral dislike for the things. > Of course many like them so obviously they have their uses, but they are not inherently superior to PCs and their fans can get tiresome with their evangelizing, specially when you thing that the thing they trying to get yout to use cannot run most of the games in the market. > > If you don’t care for games you’ll probably be better using a PC with Linux, (far cheaper also!). > So while Macs have their advantage (they have a good rep in Graphic Design), they are not something a regular user should need, if he or she just needs something for checking web sites and watching Youtube a good Android tablet would serve. Evangelizing is irritating but I really do believe that a Mac is the best way to go for someone who doesn’t play many games (or have any real desire to). I don’t have to worry about all these things that you all talk about WRT Windows and the things are durable as hell. Tho, I’ve never had a Linux box, so I don’t know how that compares. I use a laptop only and just need it for email, internet access and Photoshop. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-10-is-evil/765760.md?page=3)