# Windows 8 is the worst piece of shit I've ever used in my life. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464 "2013-09-22T20:47:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/201 "2013-10-15T04:34:56Z")
Windows 7 does the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/202 "2013-10-15T04:40:59Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Windows 7 does the same thing. Yep, along with the right and left edges that shrink windows down to half. Those I find really useful. I don’t think I’ve ever made use of the top one. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/203 "2013-10-15T06:21:34Z")
I never used Windows 7. Is there some visible indication that the feature is present or is it hidden until you stumble across it? If it’s the latter, I stand by my opinion that this is poor design but I’ll concede it didn’t originate with Windows 8. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/204 "2013-10-15T06:33:26Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Windows 7 does the same thing. Yeah, but I turned that off. You can too! [Disable Aero Snap](http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/disable-the-mouse-drag-window-arranging-feature-in-windows-7/). I tried it for several months before figuring out that its costs far exceeded its benefits. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/205 "2013-10-15T06:36:08Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Yeah, but I turned that off. You can too! > > [Disable Aero Snap](http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/disable-the-mouse-drag-window-arranging-feature-in-windows-7/). > > I tried it for several months before figuring out that its costs far exceeded its benefits. Thank you, this is yet another example of “who the fuck thought that changing this default was a good idea?” (… who the fuck decided that the _ratón_ is now called a _mouse_ in the Spanish-for-Spain instructions? I swear, if I ever meet whomever is in charge of localization for Windows I’ll make the front page news) ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/206 "2013-10-15T10:28:32Z")
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**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/207 "2013-10-15T11:02:47Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But the point is I had no idea that feature was there. If it had been something I wanted, I wouldn’t have known it was there for me to use. It’s just one of those stupid Windows 8 landmines that are hidden and waiting for you to find them accidentally. There have been a number of times when I was in the middle of doing something and suddenly found I had sprung some unknown feature by doing something - in most cases, I’m not even sure what it was I did that triggered the feature. I’ve gotten used to shutting down features that pop up unexpectedly and going back to doing what I was doing. > > If Microsoft wants to load up a program with a bunch of features, doesn’t it make sense to give us a list of them? People who want a feature can look at the list if see if they have it. People who don’t want the feature won’t pop it up accidentally when they’re trying to do something else. There’s no reason other than poor design work for having hidden features that are launched by invisible spots on your screen. These features are quite well documented and have been demonstrated in various product videos and such by Microsoft - and Windows 8 rolls out with a Start screen tile that includes all sorts of feature and usage tutorials. How would you prefer they had told you about the new features? (Because I suspect if they’d pushed a ‘take a tour of new features’ thing in your face on first boot, you’d have hated that) ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/208 "2013-10-15T13:29:50Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > The whole lot of you should go back to Win95. I wish. Especially since Win95 still had MS-DOS which would be very convenient when I want to play an old game. Besides making us buy new operating systems on a regular basis, what conveniences did Win98, WinXP, Win7, Win8 brought us exactly? Also, I wish I still would have a Windows disk coming with every new computer. And a pony. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/209 "2013-10-15T13:59:22Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > How would you prefer they had told you about the new features? With visibility. How is that such a difficult concept? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/210 "2013-10-15T14:09:40Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I wish. Especially since Win95 still had MS-DOS which would be very convenient when I want to play an old game. > > **Besides making us buy new operating systems on a regular basis, what conveniences did Win98, WinXP, Win7, Win8 brought us exactly?** > > Also, I wish I still would have a Windows disk coming with every new computer. And a pony. Better stability. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/211 "2013-10-15T14:48:16Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Yeah, but I turned that off. You can too! > > [Disable Aero Snap](http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/disable-the-mouse-drag-window-arranging-feature-in-windows-7/). > > I tried it for several months before figuring out that its costs far exceeded its benefits. Oh, thank you! I get annoyed by that (W7) at least twice a week, but never when it was convenient to hunt for the solution. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/212 "2013-10-15T15:45:02Z")
Holy fuck, all this time I just assumed the program that it happened in most often had some fucking bug. That is an incredibly annoying “feature” and pretty fucking retarded to think it should be the default on a desktop. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyodyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yoyodyne)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/213 "2013-10-15T16:36:51Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > Holy fuck, all this time I just assumed the program that it happened in most often had some fucking bug. > > That is an incredibly annoying “feature” and pretty fucking retarded to think it should be the default on a desktop. To you. I like it. When you design RaftPeopleOS you can do whatever you want. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/214 "2013-10-15T17:29:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > With visibility. How is that such a difficult concept? What do you mean? A one-word answer isn’t an answer at all. Did you want someone to show you the new features? Did you want a tutorial in your face on first run? What? I’m genuinely curious about what mode of presentation would have worked for you. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/215 "2013-10-15T17:46:10Z")
> [@yoyodyne](#): > > To you. I like it. Yep, it’s my opinion. > [@](#): > > When you design RaftPeopleOS you can do whatever you want. What exactly does this have to do with my opinion of this feature in Windows? Are you saying that only the people that worked on Win7 can complain? What about the people that purchased it, they aren’t allowed to complain because they didn’t work on it? Sounds backwards. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyodyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yoyodyne)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/216 "2013-10-15T18:51:45Z")
It’s a feature that some people like and use and some people don’t. Those that don’t can bitch about it, change their OS, or turn it off. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/217 "2013-10-15T18:59:01Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > What do you mean? A one-word answer isn’t an answer at all. > > Did you want someone to show you the new features? Did you want a tutorial in your face on first run? What? > > I’m genuinely curious about what mode of presentation would have worked for you. I want a graphical user interface that has graphics. Little pictures that are visible on my screen that tell me I have a feature and that if I move my mouse to that part of the screen I can start that feature. I do not want features that have invisible icons that require me to search around for the icon. And I do not want invisible icons that I will stumble over when I am not looking for them. When I say I want visibility, I mean I want to see what I have and not have things I can’t see. Does this explain the concept? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/218 "2013-10-15T19:03:01Z")
From Cracked: [5 Reasons Tech Companies Make Bad Gadgets (An Inside Look)](http://www.cracked.com/article_20689_5-reasons-tech-companies-make-bad-gadgets-an-inside-look.html) ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/219 "2013-10-15T19:44:14Z")
> [@yoyodyne](#): > > It’s a feature that some people like and use and some people don’t. Those that don’t can bitch about it, change their OS, or turn it off. I’m thinking about how you would use this, given that you have a button to maximize the window, why would you want to have that action happen when you drag it into some particular position? What’s the gain? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/220 "2013-10-15T19:47:12Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I want a graphical user interface that has graphics. Little pictures that are visible on my screen that tell me I have a feature and that if I move my mouse to that part of the screen I can start that feature. I do not want features that have invisible icons that require me to search around for the icon. And I do not want invisible icons that I will stumble over when I am not looking for them. When I say I want visibility, I mean I want to see what I have and not have things I can’t see. > > Does this explain the concept? I think I understand you now, but I do think it’s a bit of a strange and limiting idea - I mean, I suppose the window maximise/minimise buttons are examples of what you were expecting, but there are other interface features and behaviours that only work if you know they’re there - and I’m not sure how you could describe them with an icon - and even if you did, the more features you added to the OS behaviour, the more cluttered the display would become. For example, if you click and hold the title bar of a window and shake the mouse a little, all other windows will minimise - it’s a clever feature (although I don’t use it much) - how could this be advertised visually with an icon? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464.md?page=12)