# Windows 8 is the worst piece of shit I've ever used in my life. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464 "2013-09-22T20:47:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/261 "2013-10-17T14:49:57Z")
FWIW, [Windows 8.1 was launched this morning](http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/10/windows-8-1-is-here/). From the description in the article (from WIRED), it seems as if many of the problems people lamented about in this thread have been addressed. Indeed, WIRED leaves little doubt that anyone using 8.0 should change to 8.1. Now. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/262 "2013-10-17T16:12:51Z")
> [@AaronX](#): > > I mean you can drag the title bar of a maximized window away from the top, and it’ll return to its previous size. If it snaps to full-screen when you’re moving a window, don’t let go, and move away from the edges, and it’ll return to its original size. When it happens to me it’s due to dragging the right edge of a window (window is not moving, just the right edge is moving so window is shrinking) over to the left traveling from one monitor over to the other monitor. When I release the edge of the window it maximizes across both monitors. > [@](#): > > Its ease of undoing and avoiding seems out of place with your complaints. Lots of things are easy to undo that are annoying. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/263 "2013-10-17T16:19:29Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Agreed. And from the perspective of this particular customer (and I’m not alone), screen edge window sizing triggers are a generally good and useful feature. Now what? It depends on how many like it. If you are in a significant minority, then it’s reasonable to classify it as “bad”, if I’m in a significant minority, then it’s reasonable to classify it as “good”. > [@](#): > > …and if the scenario in question is a new feature that the supplier wants to showcase (but can be easily and quickly turned off), it makes no sense at all to ship it turned off… Yes, it does. If it’s going to annoy the majority of the people then that’s a bad choice. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/264 "2013-10-17T18:56:38Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > Yes, it does. If it’s going to annoy the majority of the people then that’s a bad choice. I don’t disagree with that at all, but is there evidence that it does in fact annoy the majority? ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/265 "2013-10-17T19:35:00Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > I don’t disagree with that at all, but is there evidence that it does in fact annoy the majority? The behavior I’ve experienced (described in post a couple back, resizing window by dragging one edge causing maximizing) is universally annoying to everyone I asked (2 other people). But, I’m back to thinking it’s a bug, it’s an app run through citrix and the behavior doesn’t match other apps and/or apps not run through citrix. When I see the behavior of maximizing on one monitor when dragged to the top (vs maximizing across both monitors when resized), it doesn’t really match the scenario I was experiencing. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/266 "2013-10-17T20:45:36Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > The behavior I’ve experienced (described in post a couple back, resizing window by dragging one edge causing maximizing) is universally annoying to everyone I asked (2 other people). Well, in the face of those statistics, I really don’t know what to say. But yeah, edge dragging shouldn’t activate automatic window resizing (and doesn’t on my machine - I just tested) ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/267 "2013-10-17T22:12:33Z")
When I try it, it doesn’t maximize, but does “maximize” along the vertical dimension. I should mention this is Win7 though–couldn’t say with certainty that it does the same in Win8. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/268 "2013-10-17T22:31:39Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > When I try it, it doesn’t maximize, but does “maximize” along the vertical dimension. I should mention this is Win7 though–couldn’t say with certainty that it does the same in Win8. Are you dragging the title bar to the side of the screen, or resizing the edge of the window to the side of the screen? The former should make the window dock and fill one half of the screen - the latter should do nothing unusual. ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/269 "2013-10-18T01:09:02Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Are you dragging the title bar to the side of the screen, or resizing the edge of the window to the side of the screen? > > The former should make the window dock and fill one half of the screen - the latter should do nothing unusual. Resizing the top edge to the top of the screen (or the bottom edge to the bottom of the screen) should make the window snap to full screen height without changing its width. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/270 "2013-10-18T06:02:35Z")
> [@Manduck](#): > > Resizing the top edge to the top of the screen (or the bottom edge to the bottom of the screen) should make the window snap to full screen height without changing its width. By ‘edge’ I meant side. It sounds like **RaftPeople** is describing a scenario where simply widening a window is triggering automatic resizing - which I don’t think it should be doing. ---
**Author:** ![WhyWhyWhy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whywhywhy/32/7539_2.png) [@WhyWhyWhy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyWhyWhy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/271 "2013-10-18T06:33:48Z")
Interesting…all these problems with windows from a product named “Windows.” After all these years, you would think there would be fewer complaints about Windows’ windows. Not more. ---
**Author:** ![WhyWhyWhy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whywhywhy/32/7539_2.png) [@WhyWhyWhy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyWhyWhy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/272 "2013-10-18T07:05:54Z")
I’m a Microsoft/Windows groupie/backstage whore, but I’ve always wondered why…to STOP Windows, you press START. Never fixed with service packs, never fixed with new, full operating systems. Maybe I’m overlooking something? Maybe that is the Toyota acceleration problem…MS folks pressing the gas pedal in a hard braking situation since stopping and starting require the same action? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/273 "2013-10-18T07:16:47Z")
> [@WhyWhyWhy](#): > > I’m a Microsoft/Windows groupie/backstage whore, but I’ve always wondered why…to STOP Windows, you press START. Never fixed with service packs, never fixed with new, full operating systems. Except, you know, the one we’re talking about here. (I mean if that was anything that even needed ‘fixing’. ‘Start’ just meant ‘start clicking/navigating here’, not ‘start your computer by clicking this thing’ - because obviously that would be wrong.) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/274 "2013-10-18T07:19:29Z")
> [@WhyWhyWhy](#): > > Interesting…all these problems with windows from a product named “Windows.” > > After all these years, you would think there would be fewer complaints about Windows’ windows. Not more. I get the feeling that you’re trying out your (or someone else’s) standup lines on us, but no. It’s quite normal for the majority of discussion/issues on a product to be focused on that product’s most prominent features. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/275 "2013-10-18T07:28:40Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > So you move it down a pixel and it returns to it’s former size, and uncovers the other window. It’s not a case of “coming too close to the border”, either - your pointer either hits the edge of the screen or not. As far as I can tell, there’s no “zone of effect”, for want of a better phrase. I just did some testing on this and for the window-height snapping that occurs when _resizing_ the top or bottom edge of a window, there is a zone effect, or at least there appears to be. At least sometimes (I couldn’t seem to make it work very consistently). I resized the top edge of this browser window upwards - when I hit the very top of the screen, there was a little ‘splash’ effect around the mouse pointer and a wire outline of the form snapped to full screen height (only height). Keeping the mouse pressed and backing down from the top of the screen, the wire outline zoomed back down, but on repeating this process several times (all the while keeping the mouse pressed), the screen height snapping sometimes kicked in at about half the mouse pointer height from the top of the screen. But not always. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![Freogirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/65b543/32.png) [@Freogirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freogirl)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/276 "2013-11-02T03:34:29Z")
I just went to my retailer and told him that Windows 8 is crap & I still can’t work it out after working at it now for about 6 hours. He said it took him about 3 days but now he loves it. He also said that older people (meaning me) seemed to have a few problems. He didn’t offer me a refund & they dont carry anything with earlier versions. I got my first computer before he was born & have moved smoothly with development ever since. So, I think I can say this with some user authority: hey, Bill - Windows 8 is crap. ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/277 "2013-11-02T03:54:55Z")
This may be a little late, but the automatic maximizing of windows can be [turned off.](http://www.groovypost.com/howto/disable-aero-snap-windows-7-windows-8/) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/278 "2013-11-02T04:27:17Z")
> [@Doug\_K](#): > > This may be a little late, but the automatic maximizing of windows can be [turned off.](http://www.groovypost.com/howto/disable-aero-snap-windows-7-windows-8/) Thank you. I’ve always loathed that feature. I never would have found that by myself in a million years. ---
**Author:** ![gt4les](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecd19e/32.png) [@gt4les](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gt4les)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/279 "2013-12-16T23:30:30Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > (Bolding mine). I believe the answer is the software engineers at Microsoft. > > Actually, to be fair, it was probably a very very bad idea that was promoted by Sales & Marketing and then implemented poorly by a badly managed gigantic set of competing teams who don’t get along well with each other. > > It has become an axiom that every other release of Windows is going to be pretty horrible. We can only wait for Windows 9 to solve this problem. What really makes many folks angry is that you can’t get a laptop preloaded with Windows 7 from many of the usual suspects. > > Linux anyone? “I believe the answer is the software engineers at Microsoft” NO, no software engineer in his right mind ever thought that. You need to look at the very scared MARKETING division who know they will be sacked when that equally deranged bunch of control freaks at apple finally run them into the ground. They are desperately trying to recoup lost ground and throwing away the baby with the bathwater! did I make that clear? the problem lies with the MARKETING division. still not clear? MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/windows-8-is-the-worst-piece-of-shit-ive-ever-used-in-my-life/669464/280 "2013-12-17T02:55:44Z")
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