# Wipe that smug smile of your Fundamentalist face, you child beating FUCK!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 9, 2003, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910 "2003-12-09T13:56:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/1 "2003-12-09T13:56:41Z")
Again, Phlosphr get’s pissed at human indignity! Two, Austin, Twin, Fundamentalist Baptist ministers are being charged with the felony beating of a young boy. Apparently, the child was misbehaving in a bible study class and said the wrong verse. > [@](#): > > Court records obtained by Reuters alleged that the beating lasted for 90 minutes, broke blood vessels and caused the boy’s kidneys to fail. The brothers allowed the child to take a break in the restroom during the reported beating, documents said The minister brothers both only 22 years old, cut a stick off a tree outside the classroom and made the child lay on a bed in a near by room. (The bible study was in a private residence) Fundamentalism in the world to day is like an out of control virus. It absolutely disgusts me that some fundy ministers actually believe physical violence toward children is doing Gods work. Are you fucking kidding me? This bullshit goes on all over the country and the world…This ranks right up there with the case of two Oklahoma parents bringing there unruly child to a fundy baptist minister to try and have him teach the boy discipline…He ended up dead. I’ll dig up the cite… Discipline and violence towards children are two very different things. What the fuck goes through these asshole ministers heads, thinking they can beat a child until he bleeds, and thinking that it is Gods will. Gods will? Are you kidding me? And the sanctimonious little prick has the balls to have a smug little smile on across is atrocious little face during the court proceedings… ERRRR!!! That poor little boy…You fundy fucks better be ashamed of yourselves for thinking things like this are OK and even worse are Gods will. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO INTERPRET GODS WILL IF YOU THINK THIS KIND OF THING IS OK! To all those who think this is ok behavior --\> FUCK YOU! \*\*[Full Story](http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/07/09/bible.study.beating/) ---
**Author:** ![JerH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@JerH](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerH)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/2 "2003-12-09T14:25:06Z")
Um…I agree with pitting sick assholes who think beating children is OK; but as far as I know no major Christian denomination espouses the practice. So, let’s not pit an entire religious movement for the actions of a few members, all right? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/3 "2003-12-09T14:45:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerH \* > \*\*Um…I agree with pitting sick assholes who think beating children is OK; but as far as I know no major Christian denomination espouses the practice. So, let’s not pit an entire religious movement for the actions of a few members, all right? \*\* Maybe not, but these child abuse cases tend to happen with fundamentalists much more often than they do with any other segment of the population. There’s something about the Bible that makes it easy to use God as a justification for unleashing one’s inner sadist. I mean, 90 minutes? Criminy! And can you imagine the same thing happening with atheists? “OK, little Timmy, you drew an improper conclusion from the premises in that syllogism. Assume the position!” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/4 "2003-12-09T15:31:29Z")
Well how is a kid supposed to learn about the love of God if you don’t beat it into him? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/5 "2003-12-09T15:40:40Z")
**Dio** - I don’t know whether to laugh and say , " ha…ha… good one…" Or to say…huh?? I’m sure you are kidding… And **Gobear** is right…fundamentalist religions tend towards this type of behavior being accepted, even condoned. I’d WAG that there is more than one person in _that_ church who thinks that kid got what he deserved…for 90 minutes! fucks ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/6 "2003-12-09T15:50:41Z")
Damn, I miss being disciplined by the Christian Brothers and the Jesuits. They always stopped short of outright kidney damage with their beatings. Apparently, the Baptists in question haven’t mastered the art of beatings just yet. If they could just learn to stick to blows to the face, avoiding all major organs, and force the accused into a closet or on their knees, they would realize the ability of the human body to survive, while avoiding major internal damage. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/7 "2003-12-09T15:53:39Z")
[Apostrophe Nazi] > [@](#): > > **get’s** gets > [@](#): > > **ministers heads** ministers’ heads > [@](#): > > **Gods** God’s. [/Apostrophe Nazi] Back to your scheduled rant. “Spare the rod and spoil the child” clearly hasn’t died out yet. The Christian Brothers have a certain “reputation” over here. :eek: It appeared to be doctrine to use violence - and even if it wasn’t, it was certainly institutional. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/8 "2003-12-09T15:54:53Z")
_sigh_ It happens to kids no matter what the religious background. I’d be willing to bet, if you went on a search you could find kids of all genders and religious persuasions beaten that hard. It just gets more airplay when it happens to the only group it’s fine to mock publicly, Fundamentalist Christians. It’s wrong, regardless. Those two should end up in jail where they belong. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/9 "2003-12-09T16:15:27Z")
> [@](#): > > It just gets more airplay when it happens to the only group it’s fine to mock publicly, Fundamentalist Christians. Yes, it is fine to mock Fundamentalist Christians because they are ignorance incarnate. They should\*\* be mocked, along with astrologers, trickle-down economists, doctinaire Marxists and any other ideologues who market harmful fantasies as reality. But yeah, the Fundies don’t have the monopoly on their ideology inciting cruelty to children. Just watch how teenage girls were abused in Irish convent laundries in [The Magdalene Sisters](http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0318411/). " I take it there’s been a modification of the Baptist hymnal: “Jesus loves to hurt the little children, All the children of the world. Red and yellow, black and white, All better run from His sight, Jesus loves to hurt the little children of the world” ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/10 "2003-12-09T16:19:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Saint Zero \* > **It just gets more airplay when it happens to the only group it’s fine to mock publicly, Fundamentalist Christians.** Don’t forget smokers. And fanboys. Definitely fanboys. ---
**Author:** ![Q.N.Jones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3da27b/32.png) [@Q.N.Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.N.Jones)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/11 "2003-12-09T16:34:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > **Maybe not, but these child abuse cases tend to happen with fundamentalists much more often than they do with any other segment of the population.** I know it’s the Pit, and I have no love for fundies, but _cite_? ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/12 "2003-12-09T16:41:17Z")
Well, I’m not so sure about the “but these child abuse cases tend to happen with fundamentalists much more often than they do with any other segment of the population” line of reason. I just suspect that it gets reported more often. Sadly, children of Baptists, Athiests, Druids, and Slug worshipers are just as likely to be beaten. But They aren’t likely to be reported on CNN. I think what the difference here is that it was a non-family member doing the beating. I suspect that isn’t as common as your good old-fashioned parental beating. And I suspect it happens more often than is reported, simply due to the fact that parents that mete out beatings aren’t likely to report someone of the same mindset. sca’tter guy’s, it’s the apost’raphe po’lice! ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/13 "2003-12-09T17:07:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > **Maybe not, but these child abuse cases tend to happen with fundamentalists much more often than they do with any other segment of the population. There’s something about the Bible that makes it easy to use God as a justification for unleashing one’s inner sadist. I mean, 90 minutes? Criminy!** Cite? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*And can you imagine the same thing happening with atheists? “OK, little Timmy, you drew an improper conclusion from the premises in that syllogism. Assume the position!” \*\* Like Rob Sherman? > [@](#): > > In June, Rob Sherman, a prominent anti-religion media activist known around Chicago as The Atheist Guy, was charged with misdemeanor domestic battery for allegedly punching his 16-year-old son. Sherman told reporters he was disciplining the boy for refusing to do his chores and merely wanted to “put the fear of God into him.” ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/14 "2003-12-09T17:15:25Z")
Here’s a [cite](http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/fundamentalism_increases_child_abuse.htm). > [@](#): > > A 1996 study by researchers at the University of Texas found that persons who consider the Bible to be inerrant are likely to spank or slap their toddlers and preschool children almost 50 times more per year than other parents do. The study further revealed that fundamentalists are 50% more likely to spank or slap their grade-school children. > > A 1974 article by H. Erlanger in American Sociological Review cites surveys showing that religious affiliation is the greatest predictor of whether parents will use corporal punishment in the home. He says that Baptist membership is more related to the use of corporal punishment than is age, race, ethnicity, gender, economic status or any other sociological factor. And then there’s [Lester Roloff](http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/texas2.htm), a Texas evangelist whose “Bible-based homes” for troubled youth became dungeons of punitive cruelty. Interestingly, Roloff had ties to then-Governor Bush: > [@](#): > > It may be odd, then, to find reputed ex-playboy turned presidential contender, George W. Bush, as a supporter of institutions like the People’s Baptist Church. In fact, the church operations – including Rebekah Home for Girls and the Anchor Home for Boys – no longer seem to be under the scrutiny of the state of Texas. Instead, under a constitutionally suspect scheme, the religious homes are “licensed” by a private organization known as the Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies Inc. which in February, 1999 accredited the PBC outreaches. This reversed a Texas Department of Human Services effort that began in the early 1990s to prevent the Church from using a form of temporary legal adoption of its clients in order to keep children at the Rebekah and Anchor homes. > > “The Christian agency will re-inspect the homes annually and has the power to take the accreditation away,” notes the Corpus Christi Caller Times. It adds that the Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies Inc. is “a private organization created by Gov. George W. Bush last year…” The “Agency” has inspected and accredited only one institution, and that is the People’s Baptist Church. And [another](http://www.freejesus.net/home/viewtopic.php?p=2758) (from a fundie source, no less!) In addition, child abuse among fundie Mormon sects is discussed in Jon Krakauer’s newest, _Under the Banner of Heaven_. This is not to say that only Christian groups abuse children. The have been reports of beatings at Islamic schools in the US and the Hare Krishna cult’s sexual abuse of kids at their [New Vrindaban](http://surrealist.org/gurukula/nyt.html) settlement in West Virginia in the 80’s is widely known. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/15 "2003-12-09T17:21:42Z")
Well, anyone who wished to beat “the fear of God” into a kid isn’t much of an atheist, IMO. Not to say there aren’t atheist or unchurched people who abuse their kids–obviously there are–it’s just the sources I see say that fundamentalist religious affiliation has a much greater correlation with the tendency toward child abuse. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/16 "2003-12-09T17:47:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*A 1996 study by researchers at the University of Texas \*\* Had you said “Massachusetts” instead of “Texas”, I would have been right on board with you. The study was even in the same year! It’s not so much that Fundamentalism encourages corporal punishment, but authoritarian personality types almost by definition favor corporal punishment, and also tend to embrace the tenets that fundyism espouses. Hence the correlation. Such types also tend to want to punish the rest of the world – notice support for corporal punishment in schools, the death penalty, hard labor, harsh foreign policy, etc. Not to say that they’re all like this – as anecdotal evidence I offer my fundy aunt and uncle, who never laid a hand on – or even disciplined in any way – my cousins. Also not to say that fundies are the only people that engage in wonky behavior. But there is definitely a high correlation. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/17 "2003-12-09T17:51:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hamlet \* > \*\*Like Rob Sherman? \*\* OK, so he’s both atheist and an assnugget. But are you comparing a single punch with a fist to a ninety-minute beating with sticks? ---
**Author:** ![Q.N.Jones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3da27b/32.png) [@Q.N.Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.N.Jones)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/18 "2003-12-09T18:34:33Z")
The study talks about the likelihood of spanking and slapping. But are fundamentalists more likely to deliver beatings that nearly kill children, as **gobear** asserted? > [@](#): > > Maybe not, but _these_ child abuse cases tend to happen with fundamentalists much more often than they do with any other segment of the population. (Emphasis supplied.) The study doesn’t discuss the prevalence of life-threatening beatings on children in various religious groups. It’s not the same thing. I know a lot of parents who spank. None of them would beat a child as described in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![eli\_the\_fanatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ccd318/32.png) [@eli\_the\_fanatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eli_the_fanatic)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/19 "2003-12-09T18:45:01Z")
Dio was kidding, I assure you. He spares the rod, and has a spoiled child to prove it. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910/20 "2003-12-09T18:45:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Q.N. Jones \* > \*\*The study talks about the likelihood of spanking and slapping. But are fundamentalists more likely to deliver beatings that nearly kill children, as **gobear** asserted? \*\* The people I described tend to be emotional and rage filled (while pretending to be level-headed), so I’d say yeah, _much_ more likely. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wipe-that-smug-smile-of-your-fundamentalist-face-you-child-beating-fuck/217910.md?page=2)