# Wisconsin GOP passes union-stripping bill **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 10, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111 "2011-03-10T00:56:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/301 "2011-03-11T10:09:24Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > To be fair, I don’t think they think it’ll be replaced with NOTHING. Just that whatever replaces it is escapable - you can not patronize businesses, quit jobs, move away from towns and cities, etc. You can’t do that with government short of moving to another country, which is a lot more onerous than moving between cities. > > I don’t agree that it solves nearly as many issues with the philosophy as those who follow it think it does, but they do address it. If they own everything, exactly where can you go and what can you do without their say so? If everything gets privatized as Libertarians would like, the whole country becomes a capitalist feudalism. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/302 "2011-03-11T13:08:20Z")
> [@](#): > > then they can bargain for it The irony, it burns. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/303 "2011-03-11T13:44:38Z")
> [@Skip](#): > > Dude you work 5 1/2 hours overtime a day with no remuneration, and you’re calling other people stupid? > > Your employer must be overjoyed to have such clever employees as yourself. Go look up “remuneration” and then apologize to all of us for wasting good tax dollars on your education. TYIA. ---
**Author:** ![Skip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@Skip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skip)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/304 "2011-03-11T13:51:34Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Go look up “remuneration” and then apologize to all of us for wasting good tax dollars on your education. TYIA. [Huh?](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/remuneration) > [@](#): > > remuneration (rɪˌmjuːnəˈreɪʃən) > — n > > 1. the act of remunerating > **2. pay; recompense** Am I being whooshed here? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/305 "2011-03-11T13:52:17Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > And if she had been rear-ended by a drunk on the way to the interview instead of getting a flat? (in other words, something entirely not her fault?) Well, you simply would have used something else as an example here, correct? > > It’s easy and not incorrect to lay blame when someone’s failure is clearly due to something they did. It’s less convenient when the cause is something outside their control. The second-guessing of their life choices and determining where they went wrong becomes a finer and finer art, to a point where in some cases you have to concede that they were left in a no-win situation. > > As the illustrious Captain Picard once said, “You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.” Of course. There are cases in which bad luck simply drags you down, just like there are fat people with legitimately daunting medical conditions that make them unable to lose weight. But in the vast majority of cases, that’s not the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/306 "2011-03-11T13:55:07Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > And this is the problem I have with big L Libertarians. A bunch of narcissists that think that if you somehow limited the force that government brings to bear, that the power vacuum would not be replaced by something else. > > I’ve never heard their solution to megacorps replacing the government in those areas they would remove government influence from. > > I’ve also never seen a solution from them on how we deal with other countries where those powers ARE wielded by their governments to our disadvantage. > > The dogma _sounds_ reasonable. I don’t want to be forced to do a lot of things. I don’t want to pay for excessive nukes and pre-emptive strikes on other countries that aren’t a direct military threat. But it turns out that a society that does delegate power to a central government is more effective at furthering the goals of that society. Individuals OFTEN make personal choices that are counterproductive from the point of view of the society. By finding a middle ground you get pretty decent results. I think you are approaching this from a really odd angle. So there’s no answer to your question other than to say that it’s a bad question. You are treating the lack of government intervention on an issue as creating a power vacuum. But we could make an almost infinite list of ways the government could bring its force to bear on different situations–so there currently exist millions and millions of power vacuums. Accepting the existence of a power vacuum arguendo, what fills it is freedom and choice. In the example of paid parental leave, a employer can offer it or not, and employees can work there or not. An employee can bargain for it in exchange for reduced wages. If the government forces employers to give it, then the government has essentially made that bargain for each employee–too bad for those who don’t like the deal. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/307 "2011-03-11T13:58:02Z")
> [@Skip](#): > > [Huh?](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/remuneration) > Am I being whooshed here? You are whooshing yourself. Why are you saying he isn’t paid for over-time? He gets a salary, so he’s paid for every hour he works. ---
**Author:** ![Skip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@Skip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skip)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/308 "2011-03-11T14:09:30Z")
I was under the impression Bricker wasn’t paid on an hourly basis. If he is then I’m in the wrong. If he earns a fixed amount per month then no, I wouldn’t consider that payment for overtime work, considering he entered into a contract that I’m sure stipulates working hours. That being said being expected to work 5 hours of overtime a day is a massive indicator of an issue in upper management. Either they’re too incompetent to notice the 50% extra workload they’re putting on their staff or they do know and are too greedy to care. He should consider finding a better employer. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/309 "2011-03-11T14:12:06Z")
Skip, you don’t seem to realize that Bricker is a lawyer. He’s bot making widgets or manning a cash register. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/310 "2011-03-11T14:14:06Z")
It’s funny how people have an aversion to believing that innate dispositions or personality characteristics drive political orientation. However, some people go through tough or challenging circumstances and, seemingly regardless of whether they are successful or not, come out the other side with the attitude that other people should have it just as tough. Other people go through tough times and come out the other side with the attitude that things needn’t be so tough and perhaps their experience might show where changes could be made to increase the likelihood of success for others. I see more of the former attitude from conservatives. **Bricker** appears to be of the mind that he possesses the superhuman ability to climb walls in order to succeed, so you ought to, too. I’d rather figure out how to lower or remove the wall in order to make everyone more successful. We do better as a society when more people succeed. **Bricker** , don’t you want more Americans to succeed rather than fewer? Why do you hate Americans? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/311 "2011-03-11T14:14:28Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I could say that I have managed to make progress also even in a retrograde place like Arizona, but recently the conservatively controlled department of education has come with new rules to target teachers that have an accent. It doesn’t matter how prepared I get or if 90 percent of students have no problems with my voice, it only takes one student with a beef against you to make a complaint. So, besides being reassigned back to IT duties I continue to increase my luck by learming more about internet programming and servers, connections will be there for me, but should I just let the local government keep on taking away what it could had been a big opportunity for me? I don’t know too much about this circumstance, but my understanding is that this is a result of the “No Child Left Behind,” act, which requires that a school receiving federal funds must ensure that students learning English are instructed by teachers fluent in the language. I don’t know how strong your accent is, but my understanding is that the issue is fluency, not accent. I welcome a correction on the matter. > [@](#): > > Notice that I’m not waiting for a hand out, I’m only saying that it stretches my credulity that you can not see that others can be affected by rules that are coming from groups that you are supporting, they may not be racist, but they are ignorant in the long run. This rule predates the Tea Party, and in fact was championed by the Lion of the Senate, Ted Kennedy. As I understand it, anyway, Ted was a Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/312 "2011-03-11T14:19:24Z")
> [@Oldeb](#): > > Now, I assumed that by improved working enviroment it would be understood that I was thinking of occupational safety type measures since at the time the thread was about how this bill and the Republican Party might affect OSHA. Fair enough, and my apologies for misunderstanding. So what you’re looking for an instance of an employer putting in safety regulations without OSHA or the union requiring it? > [@](#): > > [GTCC internal safety committee recommends various initiatives to improve jobsite safety well ABOVE OSHA standards](http://www.gtcpgh.com/safety.html) > [@](#): > > [The Star Site designation is the highest level of the VPP, recognizing “exemplary worksites with comprehensive, successful safety and health management systems” over and above OSHA standards.](http://www.wjmaloney.com/commercial/press/06092009.html) > [@](#): > > [Our internal safety committee recommended various initiatives to improve jobsite safety well above OSHA standards.](http://www.generalcontractor.com/safety/) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/313 "2011-03-11T14:19:42Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Bullshit. Oh, yeah, the Tea Party is racist, huh? Funny, because I, with my background, have never felt any hint of that from any of the Tea Party folks I know. > > Why is that? They made a special exception for me, did they? On account of my winning smile? > > I absolutely deny and reject your claim. The Tea Party folks favor hard work and self-accountability. “Allowed to attend schools?” Don’t be a fool. There’s no Tea Party platform that would have changed any aspect of my attending schools. That’s utter bullshit from an utter bullshitter. Do you really think if a Tea Party America prevailed back in when your dad came to the US things would have been the same for you? Has the path to legal immigration in the US gotten easier or more difficult? Would your dad have an easier time (or at least no more difficult time) getting to the US today? Look at laws Arizona has put in place: > [@](#): > > Illegal immigrants would be barred from driving in the state, enrolling in school or receiving most public benefits. Their children would receive special birth certificates that would make clear that the state does not consider them Arizona citizens. > > Some of the bills, like those restricting immigrants’ access to schooling and right to state citizenship, flout current federal law and are being put forward to draw legal challenges in hopes that the Supreme Court might rule in the state’s favor. > > SOURCE: [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/24/us/24arizona.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/24/us/24arizona.html) So, the damn lefty liberals and their overly generous federal laws are being challenged. Arizona wants MORE restrictions. Restrictions which, if in place nationally because liberals could not fight them off, would have made life even more difficult for your dad and family when he came here (if he even managed to come here legally). In Arizona teachers are meant to check immigration status. Were you a kid in one of those schools you’d get singled out for being Hispanic and made to prove you are here legally. > [@](#): > > TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - Paula McPheeters has been teaching in the Tucson Unified School District for twenty-one years. When she heard SB1611 would require educators to check immigration status, she knew what she had to do. > > “Part of my job is not being an immigration agent. My job is to help educate,” McPheeters said. > > She has chosen not to comply if SB1611 becomes law. It’s part of a larger movement that’s gaining support in Tucson. > > However, the law is clear that anyone who doesn’t comply with the immigration checks will face misdemeanor charges. > > SOURCE: [http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=14221002](http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=14221002) Or how about Texas where they are fine if illegal immigrants work as maids or cut your lawn but not much else: > [@](#): > > Riddle has introduced legislation that would place harsher penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants. Now this is not particular controversial, especially compared to some of her other bills (such as creating an Arizona-style “papers, please” law here), but one provision sticks out: > > ``` > There is also an exception for domestic help. People who hire or contract with someone for work “exclusively or primarily at a single-family residence” are off the hook. > > ``` > > Wouldn’t want to have to get rid of those maids, would we? > > SOURCE: [http://tucsoncitizen.com/arizona-hispanic-republicans/2011/03/07/how-is-debbie-riddle-pro-life-with-her-anchor-baby-and-terror-baby-comment-and-why-is-the-texas-gop-vote-supporting-her/](http://tucsoncitizen.com/arizona-hispanic-republicans/2011/03/07/how-is-debbie-riddle-pro-life-with-her-anchor-baby-and-terror-baby-comment-and-why-is-the-texas-gop-vote-supporting-her/) Riddle has more that would have covered you: > [@](#): > > Riddle helpfully tells Anderson Cooper that “If they are over here illegally, they are not here legally. If they are over here legally, whether they’re working or not, and they have a baby, then that would come under the term ‘anchor baby,’ and that is what we’re talking about. That is breaking the back of the American taxpayers.” > > SOURCE: [http://coloradoindependent.com/59730/texas-‘terror-baby’-rep-riddle-muddled-on-anchor-baby-concept](http://coloradoindependent.com/59730/texas-%E2%80%98terror-baby%E2%80%99-rep-riddle-muddled-on-anchor-baby-concept) Stupid? Yes but that is the mindset of the people you are dealing with. But wait! There’s more! > [@](#): > > Oklahoma is far from the border and home to fewer illegal immigrants than much of the U.S. But this heartland state has emerged as the most aggressive combatant of illegal immigration alongside Arizona, thanks to a state lawmaker who has built his political career around the issue. > > \ > > But in Oklahoma, meanwhile, state Rep. Randy Terrill, a Republican, has in the past few years pushed through a series of measures to try to drive out illegal immigrants, whom he blames for economic hardship and lawlessness in his state. > > \ > > “Oklahoma is the gold standard for us. Terrill is leading the way,” said Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, known as FAIR, a national organization that is a major proponent of states pursuing measures to curb immigration. > > SOURCE: [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703322204575227320006734604.html](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703322204575227320006734604.html) You call me a bullshitter? What rock are you living under? Liberals were the ones allowing immigration that your dad could take advantage of. Conservatives seek to make it more difficult. And the implication that conservatives favor hard work and liberals want a free lunch is the real bullshit in this thread. Liberals want fairness and equality. Give the likes of a **Young Bricker** a fair shot at making it in life. No unnecessary roadblocks. You get the same chance as everyone else. You have to make it on your own steam and work hard but neither should you face racist impediments. You must be living under a rock or are so enamored of your own rags to riches story that you feel if anyone else can’t do it they are weak and whiners if they claim something is unfairly holding them back. None of this is to demean what you achieved. You worked hard and you made it and deserve some pride in that. There is such a thing as too much pride though. How’s the view from the pedestal you’ve placed yourself on? ---
**Author:** ![Skip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@Skip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skip)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/314 "2011-03-11T14:22:08Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Skip, you don’t seem to realize that Bricker is a lawyer. He’s bot making widgets or manning a cash register. I know lawyers who work for large firms who are paid fixed monthly salaries. If that’s not the case with Bricker then like I said I’m in the wrong and he is getting paid for working overtime. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/315 "2011-03-11T14:24:10Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I grant you, good fortune favors the prepared man. But does misfortune avoid the **Bricker** household just because you are just so darned self reliant? How have you managed to control the universe to withhold incurable illness for so long, enabling you to work those long hours? I would really like to know the that secret of your success, because it has eluded my family. What personal deficiency have I failed to address? I have no idea. But I’m willing to bet you have no real interest in hearing about it. Illness comes if it comes. That’s generally not something you can avoid – aside from special cases. If someone labors under an STD, and they got that STD from having unprotected sex with multiple partners, then that’s an obvious example of illness that can be avoided. But that’s a special case; as a general rule, I don’t claim that special preparations can cause you to avoid illness. But preparations can avoid disaster. I have a good-sized chunk of life insurance, which means my wife won’t have to work if I die. I have long-term disability and short-term disability to cover the gap before long term kicks in, and savings to cover the gap before short term kicks in. I can’t avoid illness by planning, but I can mitigate its effects on the family I have to protect and care for. More to the point: you do what you’re supposed to do. This is the idea that liberals hate – that you’re “supposed” to do stuff. In the liberal mind, you’re free, like a butterfly! If it feels good, do it! Right and wrong are puritanical concepts for the fascists. Do what you’re supposed to do: get up, go to work, work, come home. Take care of your family. That’s it. Sure, you can do what you’re supposed to do and still get screwed. You could get hit by a meteor tomorrow, and so could I. But you stack the deck as best you can to minimize damage. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/316 "2011-03-11T14:29:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > He says his _father_ came here with nothing. It doesn’t tell me what bricker started with. I suspect his father did pretty well and provided well for him. Perhaps he actually was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. Oh, did I fail to mention that a week after arriving here, my father won the lottery? Yes, I came home from the hospital in a Rolls Royce. My father provided very well for me, but not in money. As I have related many times here before, I grew up in poverty. Literal below-the-poverty-line poverty. This is, of course, incomprehensible to the liberal mind. People in poverty are supposed to be grateful for the handouts that you generous liberals vote to us using other people’s money. We’re not supposed to actually break out of that and become wealthy, and we’re NEVER supposed to question the wisdom of continuing the hand-outs. Because if we did, we might realize that the hand-outs are precisely what KEEPS us in poverty. THAT is what my dad gave me, and I grant you is was far better than money and well worth having brothers wear each other’s old clothes because we couldn’t buy new ones. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/317 "2011-03-11T14:39:03Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m going to bet you’ve never worked hard in your entire life. I’m going to further bet that your hands are soft and your back is weak. A bet you’d lose. I worked from the time I was a kid. And shockingly, no one was paying a kid to argue points of law or review the FAR for contracting conditions. Again, incomprehensible to the liberal mind. > [@](#): > > You are lucky. Everyone keeps saying that, but no one can actually point to how my “luck” isn’t work and preparation. > [@](#): > > Even if you have been smarter and worked harder than everyone around you, ask yourself, how much smarter are you than the average? Top four percent? Top three percent? Is it your opinion that the bottom 97% should have no possibility of a good life? Does everyone need to be as smart as you are to succeed? It’s not a matter of smart. It’s a matter of _doing what you’re supposed to do._ The liberal mind recoils at the thought. > [@](#): > > I bet your father has a strong work ethic. Yes, he did. > [@](#): > > Did he teach that to you? Is it your opinion that people with fathers who aren’t as stellar should have no chance for a good life. Either way, you are where you are due to luck. I was lucky to have my dad, no question about that. But there are many ways a person is shown what to do in life. It’s not luck to have that information in front of you. > [@](#): > > That said, you certainly don’t come off as especially smart, but I’ll grant that the delusions you’re working under just make you seem like an idiot. Your call. I seem to be doing OK with my idiotic delusions. If I’m an idiot, I’m a happy idiot. IN fact, maybe that’s the secret: to be so dumb that I don’t realize I should be screwing a girlfriend on the side, spending money on vacations and late-model cars every other year, living in a house I can’t afford, playing golf Sunday morning instead of going to Mass, and running up credit card debt. I’m too dumb to know that I could be doing all that stuff… so I just plod along, never reachign the heights of liberal intelligence, and just doing the dull, unexciting, mindless drone stuff. More I think about it, more I think you’re right. I’m too stupid to know how boring and wretched my life really is. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/318 "2011-03-11T14:39:52Z")
So who paid for your law school? Scholarships granted on basis of financial need? Government subsidized student loans? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/319 "2011-03-11T14:42:49Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > You waste an hour a day you could be spending with your family to post on a messageboard, even though you already stay there over 12 hours a day, and I’M the idiot? Sorry, I’d rather work more efficiently and spend more time with my children. You’ll never get that time back, Rick. Spend the hour you post with your kid instead. Don’t call me an idiot for doing that. The problem is that things come up at 7:30 AM that I need to be here to address, and things come up at 7:30 PM that I need to be here to address. There’s no “working smarter” that would get me out of here sooner. Believe me, if there were, you’d see a lot less of me here. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/320 "2011-03-11T14:45:08Z")
> [@Skip](#): > > Dude you work 5 1/2 hours overtime a day with no remuneration, and you’re calling other people stupid? > > Your employer must be overjoyed to have such clever employees as yourself. Um… what do you think the word _remuneration_ means? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111.md?page=17)