# Wisconsin GOP passes union-stripping bill **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 10, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111 "2011-03-10T00:56:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/461 "2011-03-19T01:26:56Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > > > Just for the record under your ideal society, someone down on their luck, from say from a greater banker greed induced recession brought on by incompetent conservative deregulation, can’t feed their family and local charities are too over booked to help, what should happen to them? > > “Should”? I don’t deal in “should,” bub. Let me rephrase that then. Would you rather a society where a government program helped them or the individual was left to starve? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/462 "2011-03-19T01:57:29Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Let me rephrase that then. > > Would you rather a society where a government program helped them or the individual was left to starve? I think they should be chopped up and fed to their family. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/463 "2011-03-19T01:57:32Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You seem to be really hung up on monopolies. Why don’t you go read up on them some? One thing you may learn is that a true monopoly is extremely hard to sustain for any length of time. Building a whole system around trying to stop monopolies is like designing a police force to only stop serial killers. Of course, but then many turned into Trusts, and no, there was no need for a special police force to stop them. > **[American Experience | PBS](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/)** > > Watch full films from TV's most-watched history series. > [@](#): > > In early 1902, however, Teddy Rossevelt took the offensive against powerful corporate trusts. He convinced Congress to create a Bureau of Corporations to regulate big business, then shocked the nation by bringing an anti-trust suit against J. P. Morgan’s Northern Securities Corporation. Morgan condemned the president, not just for what he had done, but for the ungentlemanly way in which he had done it – publicly and without warning. A new paradigm had been established in Washington, and Roosevelt would go on to file suit against more than 40 major corporations during his presidency. > > If Roosevelt’s trust-busting surprised big business, it was certainly consistent with the major influences on his life. Theodore Roosevelt grew up worshipping a father who preached the moral duty of helping the poor, and he worked to be like his father in every way he could. As a young man, TR experienced life as a rancher in North Dakota’s Badlands, where all the money in the world could not make a cow easier to rope or the summer sun less blazing, and years of honest work from sunup to sundown might still leave a person poor. > > He learned to value working class people, and he never forgot them. From the time he took office in 1901 to the time he left it in 1909, the cowboy president did much to help working Americans. He passed laws to ensure the safety of food and drugs sold in the American marketplace. He placed millions of acres of land under federal protection, preserving America’s natural resources. He regulated interstate commerce and helped laborers to get a fair shake at the negotiating table. > > Plutocrats deplored Roosevelt. Yet TR adamantly defended the right of big business to exist. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/464 "2011-03-19T02:29:17Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I think they should be chopped up and fed to their family. Eh Trolling, or you really are this defective. Hard to tell. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/465 "2011-03-19T02:36:08Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I think they should be chopped up and fed to their family. I thought you didn’t deal in “should”. Bub. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/466 "2011-03-19T03:37:43Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Did you see why? Seems as though the open-forum laws weren’t obeyed when they rushed through the vote - Wisconsin demands more sunshine evidently when passing laws. > > Seems like it’s very good odds that it will simply be re-voted again, this time according to Hoyle. I am less concerned with the whys and wherefores of the stay at this point. The fact that a stay has been issued is good enough for me. I’ll leave speculation to others. I’ll just hold out hope that this will allow enough time for the recall process to complete its work and perhaps change the playing field for a reissue of this bill (read: that it never sees the light of day again.) ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/467 "2011-03-19T06:50:25Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You seem to be really hung up on monopolies. Why don’t you go read up on them some? One thing you may learn is that a true monopoly is extremely hard to sustain for any length of time. Building a whole system around trying to stop monopolies is like designing a police force to only stop serial killers. Ok. Forget that objection. How do you deal with corporations that wield more economic power than a good sized state? How does your minimal government keep us safe from other countries whose large governments that take in more taxes and wield more power to regulate allow them more ability to compete? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/468 "2011-03-19T06:59:40Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I thought you didn’t deal in “should”. > Bub. He thinks he’s mocking people. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/469 "2011-03-19T07:19:20Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > He thinks he’s mocking people. How can you tell? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/470 "2011-03-19T15:59:32Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > He thinks he’s mocking people. Allow me to make a small edit, please. “He thinks he’s people.” It’s so cute! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/471 "2011-03-19T16:40:13Z")
I had to stop and wipe the tears of laughter away after reading “He thinks”. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/472 "2011-03-19T20:15:46Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > How does your minimal government keep us safe from other countries whose large governments that take in more taxes and wield more power **to regulate allow them more ability** to compete? Mind saying that in English? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/473 "2011-03-19T22:16:43Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > How does your minimal government keep us safe from other countries whose large governments that take in more taxes and wield more power to regulate allow them more ability to compete? > [@athelas](#): > > Mind saying that in English? How does your minimal government keep us safe from other countries whose large governments **(that take in more taxes and wield more power to regulate)** allow them more ability to compete? Those complex sentences can be tricky. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/474 "2011-03-20T14:10:27Z")
Assuming Rand Rover isn’t a troll, which is a bit like assuming Paris Hilton is a virgin, it’s quite clear he wants a society where people in unfortunate times are allowed to starve. A society stripped of the very opportunities for upward mobility via educational assistance, he claims got him the tax lawyer money. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2011, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/475 "2011-03-20T14:31:06Z")
Naw, he just thinks they should count only on being taken care of by professionals doing _pro bono_ work. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/476 "2011-03-20T15:06:44Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Naw, he just thinks they should count only on being taken care of by professionals doing _pro bono_ work. [oh snap!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=577586) ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/477 "2011-03-20T17:20:44Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Assuming Rand Rover isn’t a troll, which is a bit like assuming Paris Hilton is a virgin, it’s quite clear he wants a society where people in unfortunate times are allowed to starve. > > A society stripped of the very opportunities for upward mobility via educational assistance, he claims got him the tax lawyer money. What’s your evidence for either of these propositions? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/478 "2011-03-21T14:32:15Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > What’s your evidence for either of these propositions? It’s my general conception of you. I’ll tell you what, tell me I’m wrong. Tell me you believe the unfortunate shouldn’t be allowed to starve. Nor left behind educationally. That there should be government programs to provide a fail-safe for this. Or even just tell me part of that. If you nitpick “should” without a replacement classifier, then you’re confirming my statement. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/479 "2011-03-21T23:07:30Z")
TTR, let me ask you this simple yes or no question: do you want the government to enact a new program that gives free cotton candy to every kid on their birthday? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/480 "2011-03-21T23:15:18Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > TTR, let me ask you this simple yes or no question: do you want the government to enact a new program that gives free cotton candy to every kid on their birthday? It’s interesting that you’re so unable to think properly, that you think this makes a point. Do you think cotton candy is a necessity? Do you really like it? Nom! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111.md?page=25)