# Wisconsin GOP passes union-stripping bill **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 10, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111 "2011-03-10T00:56:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/61 "2011-03-10T03:50:20Z")
> [@UncaThomas](#): > > Well, hey…what’s $347K in damages amongst friends? > > I mean, how can you have a decent rally without tearing the shit out of stuff, right? Hey stupid, stop for a second and think about this: 1. The estimate may be high. 2. Having 70k people move through a building will cause wear and tear. This is a normal thing. It doesn’t mean that angry liberals were fucking knotholes in benches or upending trashcans or karate kicking the statuary. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/62 "2011-03-10T03:50:54Z")
I provided a quote from the artical that supports my statements. So far all you’ve done is sling poo ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/63 "2011-03-10T03:51:18Z")
> [@UncaThomas](#): > > Well, hey…what’s $347K in damages amongst friends? > > I mean, how can you have a decent rally without tearing the shit out of stuff, right? Yeah…whatever happens keep the damn public out of public buildings. The horror of allowing people in the places where their elected representatives do their work! > [@](#): > > Tish, the preservationist/blogger, returned for a look that same day. > > “The extent of what I saw today is just chips and nicks – cosmetic damage,” he said in an interview. “I don’t see how they (protesters) could have conducted themselves any better.” > > Tish said the building bore the signs of the “accelerated cumulative effects of lots of people going through the building. I saw no intentional damage.” > > SOURCE: [PolitiFact | Wisconsin officials claim cleaning up the state Capitol will cost $7.5 million](http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/mar/08/mike-huebsch/wisconsin-officials-claim-cleaning-state-capitol-w/) ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/64 "2011-03-10T03:52:58Z")
> [@UncaThomas](#): > > I don’t have notes on cars. The interest from my mortgage goes to a local individual’s mortgage company, not a bank per se. It stays pretty much in the local community as others borrow from his company. It doesn’t matter where the money goes. My point is that sometimes there’s a good reason for you to borrow money for something, just as there are good reasons for a government to borrow money and spend it. (Of course there are also bad reasons for both. Iraq was a terrible reason, for example.) ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/65 "2011-03-10T03:54:02Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Hey stupid, stop for a second and think about this: 1. The estimate may be high. 2. Having 70k people move through a building will cause wear and tear. This is a normal thing. It doesn’t mean that angry liberals were fucking knotholes in benches or upending trashcans or karate kicking the statuary. Hey, Einstein, stop for second and think about this: 1. Why should there be any damage? 2. Did you see the pictures of the place? Did that look like normal wear and tear going on? ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/66 "2011-03-10T03:55:52Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Yeah…whatever happens keep the damn public out of public buildings. > > The horror of allowing people in the places where their elected representatives do their work! Those TEA partiers you guys all love to hate left the Mall in DC pretty damn clean after the damn public held a rally in a public place. Guess it’s too much to ask of the WI union supporters though, eh? I mean, damn…clean up after yourself…what an outrageous concept. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/67 "2011-03-10T03:56:48Z")
From the above linked JS Article: > [@](#): > > The statehouse, he said, has 43 kinds of stone and the chemistry of those marbles and of different kinds of tape can interact differently. The longer the tape remains in place, the greater the chance for some effect, he said. > > Many of the papers and banners posted in the statehouse were put up using painter’s tape, which is employed to minimize effects on walls. Stephans said Friday he had ordered that tape sent to the Capitol during the demonstrations to minimize effects on the building. > > On Friday, some of the tape and fliers had already been removed. In one second-floor hallway at least, no perceptible damage to the marble appeared where the tape had been removed. > > But Draeger said marble is also very porous, allowing adhesives from tape to potentially be absorbed into the stone and do damage that might not be apparent immediately. He said he walked through the Capitol during the height of the protests and was struck by the number of papers and signs. > > “It kind of made my heart sink really to walk in and see all that tape up on the walls,” Draeger said. > > Draeger said that damage can be difficult to detect right away and that even just estimating it could get expensive. His own “rough, ballpark estimate” of what a professional expert might charge to do a full assessment of possible damage was $100,000, he said. So upwards of a $100k just to get a full assessment of the damage ---
**Author:** ![Brad\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8dc957/32.png) [@Brad\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brad_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/68 "2011-03-10T03:56:58Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > I provided a quote from the artical that supports my statements. So far all you’ve done is sling poo You misspelled “I didn’t know what the fuck I was talking about and I’m a fucking liar who is proud of it and wont’ admit I’m wrong”. Quote what you want, it also says the $7 mil was incorrect, yet you state it like it’s fact, and you stand by it. When you know something isn’t true, yet you repeat it, it’s a lie. Call it poo flinging, you are the one that is proudly full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/69 "2011-03-10T03:58:11Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > I provided a quote from the artical that supports my statements. So far all you’ve done is sling poo See Post #57. ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/70 "2011-03-10T03:59:22Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > It doesn’t matter where the money goes. My point is that sometimes there’s a good reason for you to borrow money for something, just as there are good reasons for a government to borrow money and spend it. (Of course there are also bad reasons for both. Iraq was a terrible reason, for example.) So you’d rather have the interest go to China than a US debtholder? Because it doesn’t matter? What do you think the Chinese will use that money to do? Invest in _their_ economy/productivity/people maybe? You don’t think it’d be better to use that money to do those things in the US? Running huge deficits, increasing an already huge debt and paying half the interest to foreign entities is a losing strategy. But we have good reasons for enthusiastically embracing a losing strategy I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/71 "2011-03-10T04:00:10Z")
> [@UncaThomas](#): > > Those TEA partiers you guys all love to hate left the Mall in DC pretty damn clean after the damn public held a rally in a public place. > > Guess it’s too much to ask of the WI union supporters though, eh? I mean, damn…clean up after yourself…what an outrageous concept. There were less people and they were there for one day in the open. In Wisconsin they were there for weeks and often inside. Bit of a difference. And do you have a cite for cleanup costs in DC? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Messiah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@The\_Messiah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Messiah)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/72 "2011-03-10T04:01:18Z")
Congrats to the Mr. Walker. Elections have consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/73 "2011-03-10T04:05:44Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Hey, elections have consequences, right? You mean like health care reform? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/74 "2011-03-10T04:06:04Z")
> [@UncaThomas](#): > > Hey, Einstein, stop for second and think about this: 1. Why should there be any damage? 2. Did you see the pictures of the place? Did that look like normal wear and tear going on? Show me what you mean. The pics I saw look like taped up signs. And as for number 1, why do they repave streets? Think hard about this. Because with heavy use things made out of matter show the effects of wear. Jesus fuck, think before asking and you won’t look silly. ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/75 "2011-03-10T04:09:16Z")
[http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2579885/posts](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2579885/posts) A picture is worth a thousand words. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/76 "2011-03-10T04:09:16Z")
> [@The\_Messiah](#): > > Congrats to the Mr. Walker. > > Elections have consequences. Great - another fucking one-note wonder, probably sock. Enjoy your short time here. To the conservative SDMB members who have been around longer than 2 days - are you proud that this is the sort of asshole you have on your side? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/77 "2011-03-10T04:11:28Z")
> [@The\_Messiah](#): > > Elections have consequences. Consequences have consequences. Unfortunately, you can’t think past the end of your nose, so you think you have won. This is the biggest gift the unions could ever ask for, and you can’t even see it. ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/78 "2011-03-10T04:12:53Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Show me what you mean. The pics I saw look like taped up signs. And as for number 1, why do they repave streets? Think hard about this. > > Because with heavy use things made out of matter show the effects of wear. Jesus fuck, think before asking and you won’t look silly. Who cleaned up the signs? Did the protestors leave it looking as good as they found it? Didn’t your dad tell you to return things in a better condition than they were given to you? You know, clean the shovel before you give it back to the neighbor? Jesus Fuck…do you think people have a right to just dump their shit wherever and whenever they please and have someone else clean up after them? Think before you reply and you won’t look like a jackass. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/79 "2011-03-10T04:14:49Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > At least I’m able to read the linked article You’re right. That’s the least. ---
**Author:** ![TravisFromOR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cc9497/32.png) [@TravisFromOR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisFromOR)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111/80 "2011-03-10T04:16:01Z")
> [@UncaThomas](#): > > Who cleaned up the signs? Did the protestors leave it looking as good as they found it? Didn’t your dad tell you to return things in a better condition than they were given to you? You know, clean the shovel before you give it back to the neighbor? > > Jesus Fuck…do you think people have a right to just dump their shit wherever and whenever they please and have someone else clean up after them? > > Think before you reply and you won’t look like a jackass. So, are you alleging that not one spec of litter was thrown on the ground by the perfect teabaggers? That’s what I’m getting from your posts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-gop-passes-union-stripping-bill/574111.md?page=5)