# Wisconsin Senators trying Stop Birth Control for Poor Women **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2006, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601 "2006-03-01T12:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![furlibusea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@furlibusea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furlibusea)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/1 "2006-03-01T12:54:17Z")
Wisconsin currently has two bills under consideration [AB 991 & SB 552](http://www.supportwomenshealth.org/policycenter/policytracker/fpwrepeal.aspx) which > [@](#): > > Seeks to amend the current family planning program by removing women aged 15-17 from eligibility. Even if parents would themselves visit a family planning clinic with their teenager they would be denied the benefits of the Family Planning Waiver Program. They are trying to frame it as a [parental notification measure](http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200602%5CCUL20060214b.html). I realise this is a pro choice site so here is the link to[Pro-Life Wisconsin](http://www.prolifewisconsin.org/news_story.asp?id=157) explaining their take on things. I have been trying to find the link to Bills themselves, but the place I think they are freezes my computer. I am appalled. I work in an inner city high school, where something like 1/4 of our girls are either pregnant or have children. If I could I would put condom dispensers in every damn bathroom in the place. Hell I would hand them out like I hand out bandaids. Birth control is not permission to have sex, they do that anyway. Most teenagers who use birth control don’t use it the first time they have sex. Of course I would rather they didn’t have sex, while I was wishing on stars I would ask that they could all read too. I don’t like abortions, but I see them as a somewhat necessary evil. I would like to see them as extremely rare, but more and more the right to life movement seems less and less about abortion and more and more about controling womens bodies. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/2 "2006-03-01T13:35:54Z")
Yes, the right wing has been [busy](http://www.365gay.com/Newscon06/02/022806WisBan.htm) this week, pandering to the base as hard as they can in preparation for the November governor’s race. > [@](#): > > Wisconsin voters will decide in November whether to amend the state constitution to ban gay marriage and civil unions after the proposal cleared its final hurdle in the Republican-controlled Legislature in Madison Tuesday night. > > The state Assembly’s approval, by a vote of 62-to-31, puts the amendment on the state ballot in November, when voters will also determine whether Democratic Governor Jim Doyle will get a second term in office. Somewhere the spirit of Bob LaFollette weeps. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/3 "2006-03-01T14:17:39Z")
[ > [@](#): > > Wisconsin Medicaid Fact Sheet > The Family Planning Waiver {Program} > What Services are Covered Under the Family Planning Waiver? > \* Initial family planning office visits > \* Contraceptive services and supplies > \* Natural family planning supplies > \* Family planning pharmacy visits > \* Pap tests > \* Test and treatment for Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STD) and other select lab tests > \* Tubal ligation > \* Annual and **routine preventative primary care** services ]([http://dhfs.wisconsin.gov/medicaid1/recpubs/factsheets/phc10068.htm](http://dhfs.wisconsin.gov/medicaid1/recpubs/factsheets/phc10068.htm))So let’s not pretend that this is only about abortion, contraception, and STD’s. After all do the poor really deserve the same access to medical care as the rest of us? Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses? May I suggest [A Modest Proposal](http://www.english.upenn.edu/~jlynch/Courses/95c/Texts/modest.html). :eek: [ > [@](#): > > …A Wausau family planning clinic, which received financial help from the Medicaid Family Planning Demonstration Project, recently opened a drive-up window to give women easier access to birth control, Pro-Life Wisconsin noted. > > “Confidential drive-thru birth control for 15, 16 and 17 year old girls – can it get any worse?” asked Matt Sande, legislative affairs director for Pro-Life Wisconsin.{Oh, how about 15,16 and 17 year old girls getting pregnant and either becoming mothers or getting abortions} > > "It’s becoming increasingly clear that the availability of government-funded ‘family planning’ services to our teens is encouraging sexual promiscuity and with it, a host of social pathologies.{So horny teenagers would cease to exist if we just ended government-funded family planning services, RIGHT} > > “Protecting young girls from the hardship of teen pregnancy and from the devastating physical and emotional effects of STDs and abortion is good public policy,” Sande added…{But preventing teen pregnancy and treating STDs isn’t good public policy?} ]([http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200602\CUL20060214b.html](http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200602%5CCUL20060214b.html)){DarkRed}, underlining and **bolding** in quote boxes=CMC Here’s the text of [SB 552](http://www.legis.state.wi.us/2005/data/SB-552.pdf) (PDF) couldn’t find AB 991 but I’m guessing the text is the same. CMC ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/4 "2006-03-01T14:22:46Z")
I hope all the moderates who voted Republican in the last two election because – well, just because – are properly appalled at the results of their bad judgement. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/5 "2006-03-01T14:25:04Z")
> [@furlibusea](#): > > … but more and more the right to life movement seems less and less about abortion and more and more about controling womens bodies. I submit that this has always been the unspoken and underlying motivation for many, many of those in this camp. Notice how it’s never about restricting young teen boys from contraception or having to notify the teen father’s parents before an abortion. Yes, we must control and punish those dirty, dirty girls. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/6 "2006-03-01T14:54:01Z")
No more modest proposals. It gives me flashbacks to **Elucidator** ’s thread. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/7 "2006-03-01T14:54:03Z")
Ah, another chorus sung from the Straight Dope “Lockstep” Left Wing Choir. (Motto: We’re Tolerant of Everyone and Everything, Except Those That Disgagree With The Correct Ideas). I don’t even have the energy anymore. Yes, the only reason anyone would favor such moves is to control dirty sexual urges in women. Of course. I see it all now. There is no possible motivation except that. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/8 "2006-03-01T14:55:03Z")
What is another reason that you’d deny sexually active young women birth control? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/9 "2006-03-01T15:06:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Ah, another chorus sung from the Straight Dope “Lockstep” Left Wing Choir. (Motto: We’re Tolerant of Everyone and Everything, Except Those That Disgagree With The Correct Ideas). While not venturing an opinion on what is “correct” in this case, it stikes me as a bit illogical to deny contraception to _anyone_, given the greater social costs (unwanted pregnancies, STDs) of the alternative. What _is_ the reasoning of the bill’s supporters? They can’t possibly imagine teenagers are going to become less horny and more responsible through this effort. ---
**Author:** ![Alma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@Alma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alma)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/10 "2006-03-01T15:10:09Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t even have the energy anymore. I would ask you to reconsider. Because I, too, would like to know if there is a tenable reason why birth control should be denied, even if the parents request it. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/11 "2006-03-01T15:22:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Ah, another chorus sung from the Straight Dope “Lockstep” Left Wing Choir. (Motto: We’re Tolerant of Everyone and Everything, Except Those That Disgagree With The Correct Ideas). > > I don’t even have the energy anymore. > > Yes, the only reason anyone would favor such moves is to control dirty sexual urges in women. Of course. I see it all now. There is no possible motivation except that. So you found one statement in the thread to disagree with, how do you feel about the actual Op. The same people that are trying to take away choice are also trying to reduce the availability of Birth Control. Do you agree with this act or do you disagree with it. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/12 "2006-03-01T15:22:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, the only reason anyone would favor such moves is to control dirty sexual urges in women. Of course. I see it all now. There is no possible motivation except that. Fascinating. So what, pray tell, might these other reasons be? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/13 "2006-03-01T15:23:49Z")
> [@Alma](#): > > I would ask you to reconsider. Because I, too, would like to know if there is a tenable reason why birth control should be denied, even if the parents request it. Well, I suppose it could be from a libertarian ‘I don’t want to pay for other people’s shit, now cut my taxes’ view. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/14 "2006-03-01T15:32:36Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Well, I suppose it could be from a libertarian ‘I don’t want to pay for other people’s shit, now cut my taxes’ view. I would think an Intelligent libertarian would think that it was far cheaper to give out some free BC than to have the government help raise another welfare Dependant child. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/15 "2006-03-01T15:36:56Z")
I, too, don’t have the energy any more. Things that seem so self-evident to me (like preventing teen pregnancies is a good thing) obviously aren’t . I’m not left-wing, by the way. I have never voted left, unless you consider every political party in Canada to be left, which they kinda are, compared to U.S. politics. ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/16 "2006-03-01T15:38:01Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t even have the energy anymore. I’m not a member of the left. Maybe you will have the energy to explain it to me. _crosses fingers_ _ohpleaseohpleaseohplease…_ ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/17 "2006-03-01T15:41:04Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > I would think an Intelligent libertarian would think that it was far cheaper to give out some free BC than to have the government help raise another welfare Dependant child. > > Jim Ahh, but the less intelligent would see it as a step in the right direction. There’s a lot of half-assed ‘steps in the right direction’ all over politics, for every view. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/18 "2006-03-01T15:45:09Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Ahh, but the less intelligent would see it as a step in the right direction. There’s a lot of half-assed ‘steps in the right direction’ all over politics, for every view. I’d give some credence to this, but I just went to the good Senator’s website and had a quick run through of his legislative history and he’s had no problem expanding entitlements in the past. So, I don’t think that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/19 "2006-03-01T16:00:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t even have the energy anymore. Translation: “I don’t have a rational counterargument.” ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2006, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601/20 "2006-03-01T16:06:43Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > I’d give some credence to this, but I just went to the good Senator’s website and had a quick run through of his legislative history and he’s had no problem expanding entitlements in the past. So, I don’t think that’s it. In that case, I’ll offer the “doesn’t give a shit about poor women’s health, just as long as his constituents’ taxes don’t pay for it” alternate explanation. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wisconsin-senators-trying-stop-birth-control-for-poor-women/346601.md?page=2)