# Wishing death on someone... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 12, 2003, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737 "2003-03-12T04:05:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/61 "2003-03-27T18:17:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by blueraven \* > Hi… I’m new to the Message Board… but who’s this Monty? Given your inane comments in the Christain Hoaxes and the Elizabeth Smart threads, I think a more important query is: Who are you? > [@](#): > > I think I’ll just un-sub now Big whoop. > [@](#): > > - it seems like he’s ready and waiting to tear everyone apart that doesn’t agree with him. Nope. Just fools who make foolish statements. Surely, you’re familiar with that, now aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/62 "2003-03-27T19:28:43Z")
**Monty** , I like you, but yes, you really ARE extremely abrasive and defensive. Any time someone asks a question about LDS, or misunderstands something, you automatically seem to take it as a personal affront. CHILL. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/63 "2003-03-27T19:41:17Z")
I like you too, Guin. That does not mean I can’t disagree with your assertion there. Nothing personal. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/64 "2003-03-27T22:14:25Z")
That’s one way to take it, **Monty** (though I’d suggest that **Guin** offered her _opinion_ vs. an assertion of fact). Of course, IIRC, **Lynn** also suggested that your posts can seem to come off as abrasive. as did a (perhaps trolling) newbie in another recent thread. and another poster (I’m trying not to drag unwilling participants in) in another recent thread commented to **Guin** something like “well, he didn’t come off as too abrasive for **Monty** ”. and you could add other voices there as well (mine for example). So, you can sit back and decide that collectively, we’re all wrong, (although telling some one they’re wrong about their perception is kinda off kilter - we may be incorrect as to our assesment of your desired tone, but I’d rather believe that we’re correct about what we **perceive** to be your tone) or- you could sit back and take a look at the variety of folks who seem to be saying ‘you know, guy, sometimes you come off more abrasive than we think you want to come off,’ and decide you may wish to reflect a bit more on how your tone is coming through. Note, please the difference between ‘being abrasive’ and ‘coming off as abrasive’. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/65 "2003-03-28T15:52:24Z")
A serious question - It seems to me that some posters in [this thread in Great Debates](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=172222) have gone over the line of “thou shalt not wish death upon another” as it concerns US and allied troops in Iraq. There are even a few posters on the SDMB who are scheduled to be off to Iraq to fight shortly. Might it not be considered a violation of the “thou shalt not wish death upon a Doper” to express even a veiled hope for a high body count? Or even of the Prime Directive of “Thou shalt not be a jerk”? I realize that this can, and probably will, slop over into discussions of censorship, and there will be cries that the SDMB is enforcing the thought control of “you must support our troops!” even on foreign or anti-war Dopers. And I don’t wish to add to your headaches, **Lynne**. But I was - and am - very seriously offended by statements like some I encountered in the linked thread. Very seriously indeed. I did not report it to a mod, as I was not sure of my own motives, but here is the sticky saying that such is inappropriate, even in the Pit. I will ask at least for consideration of the Official Straight Dope Position, if not an _ex cathedra_ ruling. And I thank you all in advance for your time. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/66 "2003-03-28T16:21:02Z")
Heh. Shodan, I came here to make that exact same post. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![skankweirdall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c6cbf5/32.png) [@skankweirdall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skankweirdall)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/67 "2003-04-01T20:12:37Z")
Hmm, so then I guess that expressing an interest in taking someone for a worms eye view of the city behind a '49 Mercury before allowing them to take a dirt nap under my back porch would be right out then, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/68 "2003-04-02T00:13:45Z")
**Shodan** and others, this is really something that you DO need to report to the moderator of that forum. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/69 "2003-04-02T00:23:19Z")
I wonder, though, where such a policy would lead. If someone joined the board who had a relative in Iraq, would it suddenly become _verboten_ for people to call for a relaxation in the rules of engagement toward Iraqi civilians? Would posts along the lines of “We need to undertake a shock-and-awe campaign in which we annihilate the enemy” become out-of-bounds? Or would such posts only be disallowed once an actual Iraqi civilian joined the boards? I’ve been arguing against the pro-American-death people in those threads, but it seems to me that in war time, people are going to die; a discussion of how those deaths should be apportioned is a legitimate discussion. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/70 "2003-04-02T14:55:39Z")
**Daniel** ’s point is a good one. And I cannot be sure that I have not posted in ways that sound like I was wishing death upon Saddam Hussein at least. So, as I said, I am not sure of my own motives or that I have been blameless. Thanks for your responses, **Lynne** , **Debaser** , and **DanielWithrow**. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![TigoleBitties](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cab0a1/32.png) [@TigoleBitties](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TigoleBitties)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/71 "2003-04-03T06:35:53Z")
Do what I do Wish Great Ham upon them… as opposed to Great Harm Why Great Ham is the worst you can do to your enemy. Delicious sweet ham, why your enemy will never do anything but eat that oh so tasty ham. Soon the fatty acids will do their worst and he will degenerate into becoming a couch potato of epic proportions and inevitably do the “Elvis death”, massive heart attack while pinching off to make way for more Great Ham. Silent, effiecient, and non traceable as your enemy eats the evidence. All the great assassins use the great Ham method. Cleaner, neater, and a much more slower death. And no one can trace it back to you. Why myself I have recorded at least 120 kills thanks to my weapon of choice, the Honeybaked 12 pounder in a rich crust, spiral cut. A deadly weapon, its not to be put in your average spree ham user. No this one should be only put in the professionals hands. So do what the modern killer does, wish Great Ham upon them! ---
**Author:** ![Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/72 "2003-04-03T14:59:28Z")
Sometimes, rather than wish a painful slow death upon someone, I wish that God grants them all the joy, happiness and long life they truly deserve. Would this be acceptable? Or how about offering a meeting with Cousin Vinnie? ---
**Author:** ![Jinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Jinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jinx)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2003, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/73 "2003-04-07T03:29:07Z")
I can understand if one is singling out a group of people…but, there **ARE** some individuals who really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, deserve it. Really, this is someone who does, but I won’t mention names… - Jinx :mad: at the dirty dogs, rats, and weasles not yet rounded-up and put to sleep. :grrrrrrrrr ---
**Author:** ![wearywitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5f9b8f/32.png) [@wearywitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wearywitch)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/74 "2003-04-11T06:38:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Guess I wasn’t too clear in that posting just above. > > What I mean is that there’s a certain difference between a flame and a vehement wish for someone to kill themself, isn’t there? Plus, I don’t “take potshots.” \*\* If not for “pot shots”, you’d nothing to say. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/75 "2003-04-12T15:12:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wearywitch \* > \*\*If not for “pot shots”, you’d nothing to say. \*\* Wow, how postmodern. Noob **wearywitch** posts drive-by pot-shot at **Monty** , accusing **Monty** of only posting pot-shots. Plus the complete stupidity of leaving out the word “have”. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/76 "2003-04-12T15:26:20Z")
Desmostylus: Yep; it’s yet another board stalker. And this one’s so inept it’s fetching stuff from over a month ago to bitch about. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/77 "2003-04-12T20:38:34Z")
Monty, have you gotten my last 2 e mails? I don’t know if you don’t reply! vanilla, wishing life on everyone… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2003, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/78 "2003-04-13T14:10:14Z")
Yep. Got them. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/79 "2003-05-14T14:37:45Z")
I was tired of seeing Monty’s name be the last poster in this thread. So now mine is. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![wearywitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5f9b8f/32.png) [@wearywitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wearywitch)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2003, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wishing-death-on-someone/160737/80 "2003-05-18T07:56:54Z")
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