# With Gays Like These, Who Needs Enemies? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 23, 2004, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679 "2004-04-23T18:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/41 "2004-04-23T23:09:16Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > Oh, that was the “man in a black dress?” Now I’m even _more_ pissed-off at these assclowns. I’m guessing this has nothing to do with the age difference. Transexuals are marginalized and stigmatized far worse than homosexuals. It’s difficult enough convincing people that ‘I’m not crazy and I don’t need psychiatric help. My brain is fine. It’s the body that’s all wrong.’ without a preop having sex in a tree and demanding diet vanilla pepsi. Not to mention that an earlier story used the phrase “man in a black dress”. Referring to an mtf as a man is about as sensitive and accurate calling homosexuality a choice. ---
**Author:** ![Netbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71e660/32.png) [@Netbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Netbrian)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/42 "2004-04-23T23:14:05Z")
> [@Libertarian](#): > > Why does that make you “even more pissed-off”? 😕 I suspect it’s due to the fact that now not only do homosexuals get the privledge to be embarassed by this spectacle, but transgendered people TOO will be associated with this display of pure human brilliance. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/43 "2004-04-23T23:18:31Z")
Is this newsworthy because they did it down by the chess & checkers in daytime? I find it hard to believe that farther north, in the Ramble, nobody’s ever climbed up and fucked in a tree. In fact, I’m off the IMHO to start a thread “have you ever fucked in a tree?” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/44 "2004-04-23T23:24:01Z")
I don’t think it’s so much that all gays should be pillars of teh community and perfect angels as so to set an example, but these two are acting like complete and utter morons while protesting homophobia and bigotry. THAT I think is what gives it a bad name, not so much that they’re gay/transgender, whatever these two are, but that they’re doing it in the name of protesting. Make sense? ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/45 "2004-04-23T23:37:29Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > Except that the age of consent in the US is 16. Perhaps you best take your outraged indignation at the double standard of dopers, and your rollie-eyed smilie to a different thread, ummK? Pretty snotty response from someone who’s wrong. Some states use 17 or even 18. > [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > Huh. I should have guessed that those wacky states would insist on doing things their own way. Anyhow - according to this site the age of consent for male/male sexual contact in New York State is 17. And, FWIW, I don’t recall ever reading a doper claim that sex with a 17 year old girl is statutor rape. Ever. Well, now you have. In some states it would be (or an equivalent, but differently named crime, like sexual assault), especially given this age difference. ---
**Author:** ![SanibelMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@SanibelMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanibelMan)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/46 "2004-04-23T23:38:38Z")
"If you’re a transvestite, you get lumped into that weirdo grouping, you know? When I was in New York, there was a guy in the Bronx who was living in a cave… like you do, and he was coming out and shooting at geese and… ( chuckles ) a lot of weird things going on with this guy; and the police picked him up and they found a collection of women’s shoes, and they thought, “Maybe he’s a transvestite.” And if he is, he’s a fucking weirdo transvestite!” – Eddie Izzard ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/47 "2004-04-24T00:38:20Z")
Ah ha! [Sperm trees](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_363.html) explained at last! ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/48 "2004-04-24T01:57:21Z")
**SanibelMan** The arboreal primate in the story is a transexual, not a transvestite. Allow me to explain through a bad Eddie Izzard impression [Eddie Izzard] Somebody once asked me what it was like to be a transexual. I don’t know, because I’m a trans_vestite_. I stand here in latex bosoms, this dress (which I think is rather stunning), eyeshadow and lipstick. And it makes me quite happy. But, beneath this outift is an accessory which has been worshipped by cultures across the globe since the dawn of time. It figures prominently in the art of the Babylonians, the Sumerians, the Greeks, and the Romans. I call it . . . Mister Winky. Mister Winky has been my companion through many adventures. There are times that I thank god for Mister Winky. There are other times when I’m convinced Mister Winky is god and that I should go forth to every land and tell people to build shrines unto him. ‘Yea, I am a divine messenger. It is the will of god that you fashion a great winky of stone. It shall be fifty cubits in height, not counting the bollocks.’ that sort of thing. If I were a tran_sexual_, I would not be remotely happy about the winky. 'God? There’s been a mistake with my order. Yes, I’m quite sure I did not ask for a winky. And where the bloody hell are my breasts? I distinctly asked for breasts. Hormone therapy, you say? Orchiectomy? Inversion? Well, it’ll have to do. But with service like this don’t expect a good review. [/Eddie Izzard] ---
**Author:** ![BooBoo316](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BooBoo316](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooBoo316)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/49 "2004-04-24T03:37:22Z")
Oh. My. God. Lewd acts in a tree? Hey, no problem, but vanilla fucking Pepsi? We have to make an example of these people!!! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/50 "2004-04-24T03:40:18Z")
What’s really odd is that, when you think of a gay/transgender couple having sex in a tree in a public park, pretty much the last thing you think of is “vanilla.” ---
**Author:** ![SanibelMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@SanibelMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanibelMan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/51 "2004-04-24T03:41:47Z")
**DocCathode,** you’re quite right about the difference and I’m sorry for mixing them up. I think the point still stands that the fact that this disturbed person is a transsexual is beside the point, at least with regard to their mental state. I hope I’m being clear and not obfuscating the point further. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/52 "2004-04-24T03:48:13Z")
> [@ouisey](#): > > Rats. > > Why doesn’t anything like that happen in Kansas City? We do elect dead men to Congress. That’s gotta say something. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/53 "2004-04-24T03:48:46Z")
> [@SkipMagic](#): > > We do elect dead men to Congress. That’s gotta say something. Meh. Get back to me when you have sex with them in trees. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/54 "2004-04-24T04:00:29Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Meh. Get back to me when you have sex with them in trees. Yeah, as a tourist trap, dead senators don’t have that certain required _je ne sais quois_ that the gay men in the tree have. One of these days Cowtown will be like a Big Apple. But not today. ---
**Author:** ![WILLASS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/54ee81/32.png) [@WILLASS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WILLASS)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/55 "2004-04-24T07:09:40Z")
Man, I’m moving to New York! This beats the street theatre in Covent Garden hands down… ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/56 "2004-04-24T14:36:03Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Funny, I’d’ve thought “vanilla” would be a million miles removed from this event. I can’t even climb trees ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/57 "2004-04-24T15:24:27Z")
> [@Netbrian](#): > > I suspect it’s due to the fact that now not only do homosexuals get the privledge to be embarassed by this spectacle, but transgendered people TOO will be associated with this display of pure human brilliance. Are you saying that Eve is transgendered? If so, I owe her a huge apology. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/58 "2004-04-24T16:14:45Z")
What, another day and still no knuckle-dragging gay-bashers have shown up here for their purse-thrashing? …Wait, actually, that’s a **good** thing. I’ll put “The Black Vinyl Flame of the East” back on the shelf, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/59 "2004-04-24T16:21:53Z")
**Libertarian** She is. She revealed this to the Dopers with ‘I may be a lady, but I was raised to be a gentleman.’ Analysis of various photographs of **Eve** reveal facial characteristics and bone structure indicating she may actually be Anjelica Houston. Think about it. Have you ever seen madame Golden and madame Houston together? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/60 "2004-04-24T16:23:07Z")
> [@](#): > > In fact, I’m off the IMHO to start a thread “have you ever fucked in a tree?” I think it’ll be a better thread if you make it “Have you ever fucked a transsexual in a tree?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679.md?page=4)