# With Gays Like These, Who Needs Enemies? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 23, 2004, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679 "2004-04-23T18:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/81 "2004-04-25T02:21:45Z")
I should note that I don’t deny the more or less liberal bent to this board. On the other hand, that bent seems to be the reason behind most of the “aren’t liked here” rather than any bias toward Christians (or Jews, or Muslims, or whatever). ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/82 "2004-04-25T03:03:49Z")
**vanilla** , this actually isn’t like you-YOU of all people should know why **Lynn73** and **Jersey** aren’t liked around here-and it has NOTHING to do with their religion. It has to do with the fact that they’re both sanctimonious assholes. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/83 "2004-04-25T03:12:30Z")
well, I interact with them on another board and they are totally nice. It just seemed to me that way on here. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/84 "2004-04-25T06:10:27Z")
**vanilla:** _That would be because most christians who believe God condemns homosexual sex and sex outside marriage) don’t post here. I think there must be only about 3. Tha would be because they are called gay bashers, knuckle draggers._ Whoa whoa whoa, let’s back up and straighten this out here. Sorry for the confusion. I do **not** call people “gay bashers” or “knuckle draggers” merely for believing that homosexual sex is somehow religiously or morally wrong. If that’s what they believe, that’s their personal business and I have nothing to say about it, as long as they don’t mistreat or oppress gay people. The knuckle-dragging gay-bashers are those who try to **force** their own moral views about homosexuality on others who have different beliefs, instead of respecting their right to believe differently. And the **particular** knuckle-dragging gay-bashers whom I was offering to thrash with The Flame of the East are those who try to imply that because **some** gay people, like the couple in the OP, do stupid and deranged things, it somehow demonstrates that **all** gay sex is deranged or wrong. That’s a logical fallacy, as well as being a mean and hateful slur, and I stand by my assertion that such people richly deserve a purse-thrashing. But you need have no fear that I’m out to get you or any other person (Christian or otherwise) simply for holding the religious view that God does not approve of homosexual sex. I may strongly **disagree** with your view, but I do **not** think that it automatically makes you a “gay-basher”. So, we cool? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/85 "2004-04-25T06:14:55Z")
My experience here is that people’s ideas may get ragged on here, but when you get to real bashing of people who are almost universally disliked, it’s usually because of how they behave and express themselves, not what they think. > [@](#): > > I do **not** call people “gay bashers” or “knuckle draggers” merely for believing that homosexual sex is somehow religiously or morally wrong. I wouldn’t characterize that as gay-bashing and I probably wouldn’t use the term “knuckle-draggers,” but unlike **Kimstu** I wouldn’t hesitate to say I think that particular belief is totally moronic. ---
**Author:** ![Marlitharn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/779978/32.png) [@Marlitharn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marlitharn)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/86 "2004-04-25T07:41:33Z")
Porking in trees has a long and glorious tradition dating all the way back to Chaucer’s time. But involving Diet Vanilla Pepsi in this ancient and beautiful ritual…I’m sorry, someone needs to be smacked. I wonder if they managed to get all the splinters out of their danglies. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/87 "2004-04-25T17:05:56Z")
> [@Libertarian](#): > > Are you saying that Eve is transgendered? If so, I owe her a huge apology. Oh, not at all, dear, you didn’t say anything insulting. My post was not terribly clear: I am extra-mad because, a) yet another transgendered person has made an ass-clown of herself in public, giving people leeway to imagine we all climb trees, have sex with 17-year-olds and drink Vanilla Pepsi; and, b) the paper referred to her as “a man in a dress.” I can’t get myself too worked up over this, though, as . . . well . . . it’s just _so fucking stupid_. And I have to admire the lady’s Dawn Davenport-like, “I said _Vanilla_ Pepsi, dammit!” As to **vanilla** : I detest **They Who Shall Not Be Named** not because they are Christians or for what they may believe, but because they said cruel, unforgiveable personal things to me here in public for no reason and after being asked not to. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/88 "2004-04-25T17:38:17Z")
Kimstu, we are totally cool. I see what you are saying. Us christinas can get presecution complexes easily. As to the couple, I can’t imagine anyone thinking all gays or transgendereds are like that. My first thought was , 17 year old, theyre so melodramatic; “I am protesting my parents!” Eve, you are truly a lady, doesn’t matter if anyone thinks you are or not, you still are. I can jut SEE Dawn Davenport saying that! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/89 "2004-04-25T17:39:51Z")
us christinas. Sigh. sorry. :o ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/90 "2004-04-25T18:03:28Z")
> [@Marlitharn](#): > > Porking in trees has a long and glorious tradition dating all the way back to Chaucer’s time. But involving Diet Vanilla Pepsi in this ancient and beautiful ritual…I’m sorry, someone needs to be smacked. I’m starting to think this is all part of some absurd viral marketing scheme for DV Pepsi that’s gone horibly awry. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/91 "2004-04-25T18:20:03Z")
> [@vanilla](#): > > Kimstu, we are totally cool. > I see what you are saying. > Us christinas can get presecution complexes easily. Is a christina a transsexual drag queen? (Or a _Mommie Dearest_ reference… Christina bring me the crossssssssss!") ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/92 "2004-04-25T18:21:51Z")
Uh— should have read “a transsexual christian?”. (I first thought “transsexual christian” then “christian drag queen” and the terms mated while being posted.) ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/93 "2004-04-25T18:26:19Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > I’m starting to think this is all part of some absurd viral marketing scheme for DV Pepsi that’s gone horibly awry. LOL! Their new slogan I said Diet **Vanilla** dammit! ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/94 "2004-04-25T18:28:39Z")
Yeah, that hurt my head. What WOULD a transsexual drag queen wear, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![TV\_time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f17d59/32.png) [@TV\_time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TV_time)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/95 "2004-04-25T18:43:40Z")
As a newspaperman, I was embarrassed that it took three \*Daily News{/i] reporters to cover the story (two bylined and a third credited at the end). What’s the world coming to? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/96 "2004-04-25T19:35:15Z")
I like Vanilla Pepsi, although I thought it didn’t have enough vanilla. I do prefer Pepsi Blue, do they still make that? I guess I’m going to Hell. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/97 "2004-04-25T19:43:39Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > Yeah, that hurt my head. What WOULD a transsexual drag queen wear, anyway? Well, there are transsexual women who work as drag queens. I’d venture to suppose that they wear drag queen outfits on the job, and regular women’s clothes off. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/98 "2004-04-25T21:02:31Z")
Won’t somebody think of the poor tree? It can’t be arboriculturally sound to have cops chasing transgendered loons around the canopy. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2004, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/99 "2004-04-25T21:15:28Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I first thought “transsexual christian” then “christian drag queen” and the terms mated while being posted. In a tree? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2004, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679/100 "2004-04-26T02:29:35Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > In a tree? On a steeek. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-gays-like-these-who-needs-enemies/241679.md?page=6)