# With the Mets' loss and the Philly's win, we are on the cusp of a historic collapse. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 28, 2007, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768 "2007-09-28T02:59:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/21 "2007-09-28T13:19:02Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] > [@What Exit?](#): > > This is worth watching for any baseball fans. Ahem. Any Mets fans are crying in their sleeves right now. I literally can’t look. I may avoid baseball news all weekend and just see how it shakes out on Monday. :mad: [/QUOTE] And as a clearly deluded, probably brain-damaged, hope-springs-eternal-type Phillies fan, I am on the verge of my 500th stroke in the last three weeks alone. So I share your pain (sort of). These last three games _are_ worth watching, if you’re _not involved_, but _ **I** _ can’t watch. ---
**Author:** ![AndyPolley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@AndyPolley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyPolley)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/22 "2007-09-28T13:58:27Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] My quote in the Op does not actually cover that fact, so I ask forgiveness. [/QUOTE] I’ll forgive you, Jim. I just don’t know if I can forgive myself. I’ve watched every game. I’ve seen a lot of stupid Mets losses and our share of colapses, but I’ve never felt like they were sucking my love of baseball away the way they have this season. The Cardinals & Tigers looked pretty awful going into the playoffs last year, so I’ll just keep my fingers crossed and hope they somehow hold on. I really want to serve that ice cream cake that has a picture of Mr. Met and says “2007 NL east Champs.” I don’t want to put the Phanatic on it, dammit! ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/23 "2007-09-28T14:02:36Z")
Here is a [link](http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6764) to an article on the worst regular season collapses in history; the Mets would rank second on this list, having had a 99.80% playoff chance on Sept. 12th. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/24 "2007-09-28T14:02:37Z")
I needed a [different venue](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=438235) in which to express my true feelings on this subject. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/25 "2007-09-28T14:11:36Z")
[QUOTE=John DiFool] Here is a [link](http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6764) to an article on the worst regular season collapses in history; the Mets would rank second on this list, having had a 99.80% playoff chance on Sept. 12th. [/QUOTE] That was an interesting article. It kind of takes the fun out of the debate however. I always considered the Phold a different animal then the '78 Red Sox or '51 Dodgers. It is interesting to see them all lumped together. I never even thought about the Angels collapse, I guess because as a Yankee fan we were too busy competing with Seattle for the Wild Card. Good one to add to my short list. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/26 "2007-09-28T15:46:36Z")
Wow, everyone in this thread is so bummed, but the Mets just helped the Washington Nationals battle for 4th place! Let’s go, Nats! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Windwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@Windwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windwalker)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/27 "2007-09-28T15:50:38Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] That was an interesting article. It kind of takes the fun out of the debate however. [/QUOTE] It was interesting, but the percentages used in the article don’t seem to make all that much sense; I think their formula skews values too high for a such a high variance sport. [QUOTE=What Exit?] I always considered the Phold a different animal then the '78 Red Sox or '51 Dodgers. It is interesting to see them all lumped together. I never even thought about the Angels collapse, I guess because as a Yankee fan we were too busy competing with Seattle for the Wild Card. Good one to add to my short list. Jim [/QUOTE] Yeah that was an amazing year for us Mariners fans. It’s pretty neat having our first year entering the playoffs on the back of the biggest collapse (or comeback, depending on your point of view :)) in baseball history. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/28 "2007-09-28T16:17:32Z")
Nobody notices that the Colorado Rockies have won 11 in a row and could well end up winning their division, playing the Diamondbacks at home for the final three games. The NL champ is going to come from the West division (this year and for the next five), the Central and East are just terrible. The concensus opinion is the three teams with the best young talent are Arizona, Colorado, and LA. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/29 "2007-09-28T16:28:02Z")
[QUOTE=H3Knuckles] After all, isn’t that the _real_ reason the Rocky statue is so important to the city? We’ll take what champs we can get, even if they’re fictitious. 😛 [/QUOTE] Just for the record, Rocky lost the big fight in the first movie. I’m hoping the Phillies fare better. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/30 "2007-09-28T16:53:15Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] 😃 , sorry, but it is news worthy, or at least Café worthy. I hope your toe is feeling better. Please remember, this is only the late season record. I am still recovering from the greatest collapse ever in sports. Jim [/QUOTE] You were a fan of the 1992-93 Houston Oilers? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Yorikke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yorikke/32/4335_2.png) [@Yorikke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorikke)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/31 "2007-09-28T17:51:14Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] You’re kidding with the last bit, yes? [/QUOTE] To complete the sentence, “Will their hitting be enough, considering that pitching is the key in the playoffs?” Joe ---
**Author:** ![Not\_A\_Tame\_Lion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Not\_A\_Tame\_Lion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_A_Tame_Lion)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/32 "2007-09-28T21:01:59Z")
[QUOTE=Lamar Mundane] Nobody notices that the Colorado Rockies have won 11 in a row and could well end up winning their division, playing the Diamondbacks at home for the final three games. [/QUOTE] Negative. I’ve been noticing. What the Rockies have done this season is amazing, especially considering that so many people–myself included–believed that the franchise just has too many obstacles stacked against it to ever be a big winner. A big round of applause for Colorado, even if they don’t pull it off and get in the playoffs. I wouldn’t mind seeing a Phillies-Rockies playoff series. The ball would be flying around the yard every inning of every game. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/33 "2007-09-29T01:06:18Z")
Well Philly has a 3-0 lead in the 6th at home . The Mets are losing 7-4 in the 5th at home on the strength of another Perez meltdown. (Side note: Moose just pissed away a 7-2 win by giving up 4 in the 5th. If the Yanks need a 4th pitcher in the post season, I really hope they pick one of the two kids.) (Wow that was quick, Damon just hit a long Homer Run to put the score 8-6) ---
**Author:** ![H3Knuckles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@H3Knuckles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/H3Knuckles)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/34 "2007-09-29T02:26:30Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Greenjeans] Just for the record, Rocky lost the big fight in the first movie. I’m hoping the Phillies fare better. [/QUOTE] I’m fully aware of that, but he won the rematch, he defended his title from Clubber Lang as well, and to hear some Philly types he won the Cold War too. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/35 "2007-09-29T02:49:22Z")
Its official, Mets lose and Phillies win. Insult to injury, Padres are on the verge of winning, so the Mets would be 2 behind for the Wild Card. ---
**Author:** ![AndyPolley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@AndyPolley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyPolley)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/36 "2007-09-29T02:52:22Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] Its official, Mets lose and Phillies win. Insult to injury, Padres are on the verge of winning, so the Mets would be 2 behind for the Wild Card. [/QUOTE] Thanks for pointing that out, Jimmy. Remind me to say something mean to you if we ever meet. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/37 "2007-09-29T03:02:48Z")
[QUOTE=AndyPolley] Thanks for pointing that out, Jimmy. Remind me to say something mean to you if we ever meet. 🙂 [/QUOTE] If it makes you feel any better, my Yanks choked tonight and the Red Sox are officially AL East Pennant winners. Damn that hurt to type. Jim ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/38 "2007-09-29T03:04:08Z")
[QUOTE=John DiFool] Here is a [link](http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6764) to an article on the worst regular season collapses in history; the Mets would rank second on this list, having had a 99.80% playoff chance on Sept. 12th. [/QUOTE] That is not really a record about collapses, as shown by the fact that the number two team had a 51% record and the number three team a 57% record over the stretch. These are just occasions where their opponents had a good finish to the season. But I echo a previous poster: the next best thing to a Braves win is a Mets collapse. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/39 "2007-09-29T03:06:11Z")
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**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768/40 "2007-09-29T03:19:48Z")
Looks like Cubs-Padres, Phillies-Dbacks in first round. Cool. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-the-mets-loss-and-the-phillys-win-we-are-on-the-cusp-of-a-historic-collapse/420768.md?page=3)