# With trepidation, Benghazi **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2014, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535 "2014-05-02T20:30:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/421 "2014-05-12T01:10:03Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > I was particularly amused by the smirking little dweeb behind the speaker, who was attempting to be solemn. Kind of sez it all. Anyone know who that twit was? That looks like Jim Jordan, R-Ohio. Don’t know the district, though. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/422 "2014-05-12T01:44:28Z")
[From Salon:](http://www.salon.com/2014/05/08/paul_ryan_is_a_whiny_sore_loser_why_hes_still_mad_at_candy_crowley_for_2012_loss/) > [@](#): > > This is why Republicans can’t get over Benghazi fever. **It’s a symptom of a more deadly disease: the party’s determination to deny Obama legitimacy.** If he lied to get reelected, he didn’t really win at all. They don’t have to reckon with the truth that voters rejected the soulless Romney, who would say anything to get elected, and his running mate, the allegedly principled and wonky Ryan. In the end, he had to hide his unpopular budget ideas to face the voters, turning out to be as craven as Romney. It’s not really a surprise that he’s blaming Crowley for his troubles, but it’s disturbing nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/423 "2014-05-12T04:03:26Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > For your viewing pleasure: [here you go.](http://mash.network.coull.com/activatevideo?video_provider_id=2&pid=8165&website_id=23863&width=549&height=339&embed_type=IFRAME&video_provider_url=http://www.youtube.com/embed/A1jeJmeeMjs?version%3D3%26rel%3D1%26fs%3D1%26showsearch%3D0%26showinfo%3D1%26iv_load_policy%3D1%26wmode%3Dtransparent&mobile=true&referrer=http://allenwestrepublic.com/2013/11/10/allen-west-here-is-truly-one-of-the-exceptional-good-guys-on-capitol-h) Do you have a problem with [an ordinary YouTube URL](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1jeJmeeMjs)? I prefer the ordinary URL since YouTube offers suggestions. For example, [with one click](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jriU_cPU9Vk) we learn that Rand Paul does not think that Hillary’s murder of four Americans in Benghazi was intentional, though she should have been fired for it. This makes Paul a moderate (and top candidate for the 2016 Presidential nomination) since several of the other YouTube suggestions seem rather clear that the murders were instigated deliberately by top American officials, apparently including Michele Obama herself. (Is it coincidence that none of the dead were Black?) Benghazi was, of course, the 2nd largest tragedy so far of the 21st century. What ranks 3rd? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/424 "2014-05-12T04:35:10Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Benghazi was, of course, the 2nd largest tragedy so far of the 21st century. What ranks 3rd? September 11th, after Benghazi and the IRS scandal. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/425 "2014-05-12T05:59:07Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > September 11th, after Benghazi and the IRS scandal. Ridiculous. What about Fast and Furious? What about “You didn’t build that”? What about “You can keep your doctor”? And what about FEMA stockpiling guillotines? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/426 "2014-05-12T13:28:29Z")
> [@slash2k](#): > > No, you misunderstand. I have no objection to your asking the question. > > Now, you have asked it, and for whatever reason he hasn’t answered. It’s time to move on. > > I object to spending time and effort in a congressional investigation to **CONTINUE** asking a question just to satisfy your curiosity (since you have given us no reason to suppose the answer is in any way significant or meaningful). (post shortened) Hahahaha. “It’s time to move on.” What a hoot. Does that mean it’s acceptable to ask a question once, but if you don’t receive an answer or the answer is obviously horseshit, you can not ask the question again? The non-transparent Whitehouse doesn’t fully answer the questions asked about Benghazi attacks and the Whitehouse’s response to the attacks and the apparent cover up. And you believe that’s OK. What more could the taxpayers expect from their non-transparent Whitehouse? The public doesn’t need to know what happened. What difference does it make, right? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/427 "2014-05-12T13:30:52Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Hahahaha. “It’s time to move on.” What a hoot. Does that mean it’s acceptable to ask a question once, but if you don’t receive an answer or the answer is obviously horseshit, you can not ask the question again? > > The non-transparent Whitehouse doesn’t fully answer the questions asked about Benghazi attacks and the Whitehouse’s response to the attacks and the apparent cover up. And you believe that’s OK. What more could the taxpayers expect from their non-transparent Whitehouse? The public doesn’t need to know what happened. What difference does it make, right? It’s time to move on because there is nothing there. The only thing left to be dug up is political squabbling points - things the republicans can point to and say “look, they weren’t perfectly honest snowflakes”. It’s a gigantic waste of time. Seriously, what crime or cover-up do you think this investigation has a chance of uncovering? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/428 "2014-05-12T13:51:17Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The non-transparent Whitehouse doesn’t fully answer the questions asked about Benghazi attacks Which ones? > [@](#): > > the apparent cover up. What makes you think so? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/429 "2014-05-12T14:07:56Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > It’s time to move on because there is nothing there. The only thing left to be dug up is political squabbling points - things the republicans can point to and say “look, they weren’t perfectly honest snowflakes”. It’s a gigantic waste of time. Seriously, what crime or cover-up do you think this investigation has a chance of uncovering? “It’s time to move on because there is nothing there.” OR Fully answer the questions that have been asked instead of supply redacted files and telling everyone to move on. I prefer that the Whitehouse and State Dept answer all of the questions about the attacks at Benghazi and about the alleged cover up. What difference can it make? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/430 "2014-05-12T14:16:00Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Which ones? > > What makes you think so? Which ones? Why every question asked by the newly formed investigative committee, of course. The fact that the WH has dragged this out as long as it has plus the massive amount of redacting done to the files previously released. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/431 "2014-05-12T14:17:39Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > “It’s time to move on because there is nothing there.” > > OR > > Fully answer the questions that have been asked instead of supply redacted files and telling everyone to move on. > > I prefer that the Whitehouse and State Dept answer all of the questions about the attacks at Benghazi and about the alleged cover up. What difference can it make? We’ve had investigations \*ad nauseam \*to answer all substantive questions except the most important one – “How do we prevent such attacks in the future?” The cry “…all of the questions…” has become exactly like birtherism. It doesn’t matter what questions are answered, there are always additional ones to be asked. It has become as silly – and as transparently asinine – as “Trace the lineage of Napoleon Bonaparte’s favorite horse through six generations, and explain how it influenced the outcome of the French and Indian War”. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/432 "2014-05-12T14:19:45Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Which ones? Why every question asked by the newly formed investigative committee, of course. You’re complaining about lack of answers to questions _that haven’t been asked yet_? 😛 Are you aware of all the other committees that have asked questions, and what they were? > [@](#): > > The fact that the WH has dragged this out as long as it has That’s not who’s doing the dragging out, friend. > [@](#): > > plus the massive amount of redacting done to the files previously released. Which you suspect cover, well, what exactly? ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/433 "2014-05-12T14:22:28Z")
[quote=“doorhinge, post:426, topic:687535”] Does that mean it’s acceptable to ask a question once, but if you don’t receive an answer or the answer is obviously horseshit, you can not ask the question again? If you have a reason for wanting an answer besides “I’m curious,” then yes, it is acceptable to keep asking. You haven’t been able to give such a reason, though, despite multiple opportunities in this very thread. You haven’t been able to suggest anything the man might say in response to that question that would in any way change the outcome of Benghazi or of the investigation. “Just because I want to know and he won’t tell me” \<\> non-transparency. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/434 "2014-05-12T14:39:44Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > How do you know that none of the attackers/planners have been arrested or killed? Has the Whitehouse taken credit for the arrest or killing of any of the Benghazi planners or attackers? Not that I’m aware of but your sources might have a different answer. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/435 "2014-05-12T14:52:05Z")
[quote=“slash2k, post:433, topic:687535”] > [@doorhinge](#): > > Does that mean it’s acceptable to ask a question once, but if you don’t receive an answer or the answer is obviously horseshit, you can not ask the question again? > > If you have a reason for wanting an answer besides “I’m curious,” then yes, it is acceptable to keep asking. > > You haven’t been able to give such a reason, though, despite multiple opportunities in this very thread. You haven’t been able to suggest anything the man might say in response to that question that would in any way change the outcome of Benghazi or of the investigation. “Just because I want to know and he won’t tell me” \<\> non-transparency. You’re confusing my personal questions (what was Obama doing and where was he during the attacks) with the questions that have been repeatedly asked about the lack of cooperation by the Whitehouse, the story line fed to spokes-puppet Susan Rice, the need to redact files, the forcing of information releases to be made by court order, etc. Hopefully, all questions will be answered by the investigative committee, including my personal questions. Whether the Democrat party choses to participate or not. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/436 "2014-05-12T14:55:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You’re complaining about lack of answers to questions _that haven’t been asked yet_? 😛 > > Are you aware of all the other committees that have asked questions, and what they were? > > That’s not who’s doing the dragging out, friend. > > Which you suspect cover, well, what exactly? Unlike some people, I can’t read redacted files because they’re, well…, redacted. Now, hopefully, we’ll be able to see what the Whitehouse and State Dept were hiding from public view. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/437 "2014-05-12T15:06:31Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > We’ve had investigations \*ad nauseam \*to answer all substantive questions except the most important one – “How do we prevent such attacks in the future?” > > The cry “…all of the questions…” has become exactly like birtherism. It doesn’t matter what questions are answered, there are always additional ones to be asked. It has become as silly – and as transparently asinine – as “Trace the lineage of Napoleon Bonaparte’s favorite horse through six generations, and explain how it influenced the outcome of the French and Indian War”. “Birtherism”? “Napoleon’s horse”? Hahahaha. You seem to be satisfied with the answers given and the heavily redacted files that really don’t explain anything because they were redacted. Facts are neither Democrat or Republican. Hopefully, the investigative committee will uncover all of the facts of what happened during the attacks, the immediate public explanations, and the explanations of the explanations. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/438 "2014-05-12T15:46:06Z")
It’s White House, for God’s sake, not Whitehouse. Take this conversation to as sophomoric a level as you want, but can we at least use proper English around here? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/439 "2014-05-12T15:48:04Z")
Maybe he really _is_ annoyed at the junior Senator from Rhode Island. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/440 "2014-05-12T15:51:08Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > It’s White House, for God’s sake, not Whitehouse. Take this conversation to as sophomoric a level as you want, but can we at least use proper English around here? It’s also Democratic party, not Democrat party. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535.md?page=23)